Class 2A IHSWCA State Duals qualifying scores (thru Sectional)

[maligned]

Below are the UNOFFICIAL State Duals qualifying scores for 2A through sectional. 

 

In 2A, these scores are somewhat meaningful already.  Your team will need about 150 or more to realistically earn an automatic invite.  You will need approximately 135 or more to be in voting consideration.  Teams that have already approached those positions are in very good shape.  On the other hand, some teams far down the list can still make enormous jumps in the next two weeks.

 

All classification of teams is subject to change with the new IHSAA classification data that will be released in early March.  Old enrollment data is here: http://www.ihsaa.org/Portals/0/ihsaa/documents/quick%20resources/Boys%27%20Basketball%20Classifications%202013-15.pdf  The current cutoff between 3A and 2A is between New Castle and Shelbyville.  IF YOU ARE NEAR THAT CUTOFF, YOU MIGHT NOT BE IN 2A!  DON'T COUNT ON ANY CLASSIFICATION BEING OFFICIAL UNTIL MARCH!  The cutoff between 2A and 1A is right now between Southmont and Indy Cardinal Ritter.  If you're near that line, you could move down to 1A with the new data.

 

There is not a good way to format this information on this new board.  The first number is your team's score right now.  The second is your regional Category (which reflects the quota of semi-state scoring positions available at each weight for your regional).  The third number is how many guys you still have alive and the final number is how many points are available for you to score at regional. 

 

 

Class 2A Teams        Total    Reg. Category    Still Alive        Pts Available @ Reg.
Delta                         158.0        4                      12                    48
New Palestine    148.0    5    10    36
Mount Vernon (Posey)    144.0    6    10    38
Bellmont    140.0    4    12    44
Evansville Memorial    138.0    6    9    32
Yorktown    134.0    4    14    42
West Lafayette    132.0    3    10    36
South Dearborn    132.0    3    11    38
Southmont    131.0    5    12    42
Lebanon    128.0    5    8    24
Franklin County    127.0    3    12    38
Jimtown    127.0    4    9    32
North Montgomery    126.0    5    10    34
Leo    124.0    5    9    32
NorthWood    120.0    4    6    20
Garrett    119.0    5    7    24
Gibson Southern    118.0    6    6    18
Columbia City    116.0    5    8    26
Hamilton Heights    111.0    3    9    32
Fort Wayne Concordia Lutheran    109.0    5    3    12
Southridge    106.0    3    12    68
Edgewood    105.0    3    8    26
Greensburg    105.0    3    8    30
Benton Central    104.0    3    7    24
Peru    104.0    2    12    76
Beech Grove    104.0    5    5    18
Kankakee Valley    103.0    3    7    26
Heritage Hills    100.0    6    6    14
Frankfort    100.0    5    3    12
Crawfordsville    94.0    5    7    24
Rochester    94.0    5    9    24
Delphi    93.0    3    7    24
Fairfield    92.0    4    3    12
New Prairie    91.0    3    11    60
South Bend St. Joseph    90.0    5    7    18
Griffith    87.0    4    8    22
Indian Creek    87.0    6    4    16
Fort Wayne Bishop Dwenger    85.0    5    5    18

Madison    84.0    3    9    24
West Noble    84.0    4    7    22
Mishawaka Marian    83.0    5    3    12
Culver Academies    82.0    5    6    20

Whitko    82.0    5    6    18
Hammond Gavit    81.0    4    5    20
Western    80.0    2    8    42
Danville    77.0    6    7    24
New Haven    77.0    5    7    20
Hanover Central    76.0    3    6    20
Lakeland    74.0    4    6    20
Pike Central    71.0    6    3    10
Lawrenceburg    71.0    3    4    14
Northview    70.0    3    5    20
Brown County    70.0    3    5    16
Jasper    70.0    3    12    78
Rushville    68.0    3    5    18
Calumet    67.0    4    5    14
South Vermillion    66.0    5    6    18
Eastbrook    65.0    2    9    64
Heritage    63.0    5    5    18
Andrean    62.0    3    4    12
Rensselaer Central    62.0    3    4    14
Greencastle    61.0    6    4    14
Twin Lakes    60.0    3    7    42
Tri-West Hendricks    58.0    6    4    16
Princeton    58.0    6    3    10
Owen Valley    57.0    3    4    14
Blackford    57.0    4    3    10
Northwestern    57.0    2    5    31
Angola    55.0    4    3    12
Wawasee    54.0    5    4    14
Sullivan    52.0    3    3    10
Charlestown    52.0    3    8    50
West Vigo    50.0    3    3    10
Scottsburg    49.0    3    3    8
Glenn    49.0    3    5    22
Vincennes Lincoln    48.0    6    2    4
Tipton    48.0    3    3    10
Batesville    48.0    3    4    12
North Putnam    45.0    6    0    0
Wheeler    45.0    3    2    8
Mitchell    43.0    3    7    51
Fort Wayne Bishop Luers    42.0    5    3    12
Hammond Clark    41.0    4    3    8
Western Boone    41.0    5    1    2
Salem    38.0    3    6    64
Guerin Catholic    37.0    3    1    4
Norwell    35.0    4    2    8
Tippecanoe Valley    34.0    5    3    8
Knox    32.0    3    2    8
Maconaquah    32.0    2    5    60
Shelbyville    32.0    5    0    0
Boonville    33.0    6    2    4
Washington    31.0    3    3    18
Indianapolis Bishop Chatard    30.0    3    5    40
Corydon Central    29.0    3    3    23
Hammond    25.0    4    2    6
Boone Grove    24.0    3    1    2
Indianapolis Washington    22.0    5    4    33
Brebeuf Jesuit    19.0    3    2    24
Mississinewa    17.0    2    2    24
Evansville Bosse    10.0    6    0    0
Indianapolis Marshall    4.0    5    0    0 (less than 3 participants at sectional; will not be classified)

 

[maligned]

A quick reminder based on questions people are asking me:

 

Top score from each class for each semi-state gets an automatic bid.  Then, the next 6 highest scores get automatic bids as well.  Finally, the next highest few scores are considered by the selection committee for voting in the final 2 spots to complete the field of 12.

[littlevito]

Top Scores in each Semi-State

 

Evansville

Mount Vernon (Posey) 144

 

Fort Wayne

Delta 158

 

Merrillville

West Lafayette 132

 

New Castle

New Palestine 148

 

Next Top 6 scores

 

Bellmont 140

Evansville Memorial 138

Yorktown 134

South Dearborn 132

Southmont 131

Lebanon 128

[cdpd8b]

isn't New Pal a 3A school currently?

[decbell1]

With the exclusion of those teams with just a few entrants, New Pal currently projects as a 2A team.

[maligned]

Data is now "official" through sectional.  We are fully finished with all double-checks.  There are newly posted minor changes to Madison, Boonvile, Whitko, and FW Concordia data.

[Westforkwhite]

Is there a prior post on how the scoring works? Trying to figure out how Bellmont has the same number of wrestlers qualify for regional (12) as Delta, but have a four point lower max score potential (48 vs. 44).

[maligned]

Procedures are outlined here: http://www.ihswca.org/news/selection2015

 

In short, though, it's because Delta has a younger team.  They have more current points and they have potential to score more than Bellmont next week--in both cases because more of their guys still alive are underclassmen.  Regional and semi-state qualifiers for underclassmen in 2A receive 12 and 16 points, respectively.  The same advancement levels for seniors receive only 6 and 8 points.

[Westforkwhite]

Procedures are outlined here: http://www.ihswca.org/news/selection2015

 

In short, though, it's because Delta has a younger team.  They have more current points and they have potential to score more than Bellmont next week--in both cases because more of their guys still alive are underclassmen.  Regional and semi-state qualifiers for underclassmen in 2A receive 12 and 16 points, respectively.  The same advancement levels for seniors receive only 6 and 8 points.

Thanks. Makes good sense.

[poppe66]

I'm not being able to come up with the correct amount of points.  Can someone pick a team and show how they got their points?

[maligned]

Here's Madison:

6 senior regional qualifiers = 6 x 6 = 36
3 underclass regional = 3 x 12 = 36
2 underclass sectional 5th/6th = 2 x 4 = 8
1 underclass sectional no-place = 2

Bonus points for having two forfeits = 2  (bonus in 2A is 8 for 0 FFs, 4 for 1 FF, and 2 for 2 FFs)

36 + 36 + 8 + 2 + 2 = 84

 

It could be also that you're not considering your sectional's Category, which determines the quota of awarded regional positions per weight class for your sectional.

 

What's your school?

[TripleB]

Thanks Maligned, just made me realized how bad much of a rebuilding year next season will be...lol...

[poppe66]

Lebanon is the school I'm trying to figure out and it doesn't add up.

 

4 Seniors regional qualifiers 4 x 6 = 24

4 underclassmen qualifiers 4 x 12 = 48

4 underclassmen 5th & 6th 4 x 4 = 16

1 underclassmen no place 1 x 2 = 2

1 forfeit bonus 1 x 2 = 2

Total is 92 but list shows 128

[littlevito]

Lebanon is the school I'm trying to figure out and it doesn't add up.

 

4 Seniors regional qualifiers 4 x 6 = 24

4 underclassmen qualifiers 4 x 12 = 48

4 underclassmen 5th & 6th 4 x 4 = 16

1 underclassmen no place 1 x 2 = 2

1 forfeit bonus 1 x 2 = 2

Total is 92 but list shows 128

They are in a category 6 Sectional, meaning if they placed in the top 6 at sectional, then they got Regional points.

[Caleb Spires]

I know Yorktown is more senior dominated than Delta, but it's still weird to see Delta ahead of them by 24 points when Yorktown outscored them by 117 at sectionals.

[maligned]

They are in a category 6 Sectional, meaning if they placed in the top 6 at sectional, then they got Regional points.

Right.  Lebanon is in a Category 6 sectional, meaning Top 6 get regional points and the two non-placing quarterfinalists at each weight get sectional 5th/6th points.  Lebanon had 4 underclass sectional 5/6 guys upgraded to regional points and 1 underclass non-placer upgraded to sectional 5/6 points.

 

So the totals look like this:

 

4 seniors to regional = 4 x 6 = 24

8 underclassman w/ regional points = 8 x 12 = 96

1 underclassman w/ sectional 5/6 points = 4

Bonus for having only 1 forfeit = 4

 

24 + 96 + 4 + 4 = 128

I know Yorktown is more senior dominated than Delta, but it's still weird to see Delta ahead of them by 24 points when Yorktown outscored them by 117 at sectionals.

That's because placement at sectional didn't matter at all...just advancement.  Right now, we're looking at point totals as if we've wrestled the first round of a 32-man individual tournament.  There's no way, yet, to factor in the fact that many more of the Yorktown guys will go far than will the Delta guys.  Those points come later.  Last year, Yorktown was in about the same spot after sectional.  With this scoring system, they would have had a final score of 267, compared to Bellmont in 2nd at 205 and everybody else at about 185 and lower.  As you can see...Yorktown will separate themselves if they get a bunch to later rounds of the state tournament again.

[bog190]

Sorry guys, was late