Hunter Stevens Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 106: Paul Konrath MV 33-1 Dillon Hurst JA 18-6 Joel Nawl VL 31-4 Aaron Wood MC 27-4 113: Harley Gorman MV 25-4 Geordon Terwiske JA 12-11 Tyler Denney B 22-16 Jake Wilson WA 15-12 120: Noah Keller MV 27-7 Tommy Brock JA 17-9 Tommy Whitehouse B 4-2 Luke Wolfe MC 11-7 126: Jarrod Hemmings B 29-7 Jared Suanes VL 20-12 Ryan Koerner W 29-3 Austin Bethel MV 17-0 Nathan Schitter J is unseeded and drew Koerner first round. 132: Mikie Boger VL 23-10 Julian Suar MV 23-11 Logan Fuqua B 20-13 Cameron Sanders B 8-10 138: Charlie Allen B 34-4 Isaac Drew W 17-6 Alex Warner VL 9-13 Eric Gelhausen J 8-10 145: Korbin Karges P 11-2 Brandon Hernandez J 9-8 Dane Wilson MV 18-7 Dillon Brower W 10-17 152: Beau Taylor MC 24-5 Ritchie Osha W 25-1 Payton Whoberry MV 23-4 Graham Dougan P 15-10 Ruger Kersteins J 22-4 is unseeded and drew Taylor first round. 160: Colton Winge B 24-13 Joseph Bauer VL 14-21 Ethan Harms MV 12-18 Noah Collon J 7-3 170: Cole Kreilein J 18-8 Joe Bichler P 15-11 Jake Owens W 16-16 Zach Peerman MV 3-3 182: Ian Songer J 17-4 Cody Wall MC 28-3 Tyler DeKemper MV 23-10 Nic Dellion VL 21-13 195: Jacob Newton B 19-1 Edwin Revolorio W 28-4 Rashon Jefferson VL 28-8 Trent Smith J 15-11 220: Andrew Wise MC 25-2 Carson Popp J 11-6 Tristin Choate MV 31-5 Zane Small VL 12-21 285: Austin Stallings MV 18-4 Moises Valenciano J 1-0 Jacob Jones B 23-10 Luke Thornton W 7-6 Once I have brackets in hand, I will post the brackets as they are seen on paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdaddy Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Bethel got the 4 seed, makes for a bad day for the 1. OUCH!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navy80 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Why did Schitter and Ruger get unseeded? That doesnt make any sense to me? Looks like Ruger made the drop to 152! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eckert Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Winter Bulletin 63 paragragh B line 5 "5. Coaches should strive to keep open minds when seedings are being decided. The main objective of seeding is to have outstanding wrestlers separated in the brackets so that they will not meet each other until the finals. Seeding shall be based upon the wrestler's proven ability and not upon the desire for unwarranted advantage." Wow is all I can say about how this tournament seeding came out. 126 Hemmings lost to Schitter. 132 Boger pinned by Sanders, 152 Kerstiens winning record, 160 Collon winning record versus 2 and 3 seeds losing records.. I know in the end you have to wrestle and win to be the champ. No doubt about it, but come on seeding the best kids did not happen here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvansvilleSpectator Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 The reason they were not seeded may be due to not knowing which weight they were going. If they were seeded, they could not wrestle any weight exept the one they were seeded at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpt189 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 We went by our conference seeding criteria. This is not the first year seeding like this has happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Medic Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 A lot of the problem is that the wrestlers all went down a weight class or went up one. So there was no head to head completion with most of them. Also they had to use the old Big 8 conference seeding criteria because of Mount Carmel Illinois not having the same state tournament series structure as Indiana does. All the coaches voted before the meeting to use the old criteria, it was unanimous, by all coaches to use old criteria. I don't disagree that the seeding was not perfect, but it was also brought up to create new seeding criteria and present it to the AD's at the Big 8 conference meeting in March, this is a unique situation due to Mount Carmel Illinois being in our Conference. Also all the teams do not wrestle each other Jasper and Mount Vernon do not get to wrestle each other. There was also the weather canceling matches that could not get made up for what ever reason, so that cut down on head to head competition as well. Don't know what the problem solver would be, but I would be willing to help solve the problem, so this does not keep happening. This isn't the first time this happened in the seeding meeting for the Big 8. Just the first time that it happened this many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eckert Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I could not agree more. Something needs to change. A lot of the weight classes worked out fine. Hvy weight for instance. Moises never wrestled #1 or #3 but beat #4. He had a 1-0 record and was seeded 2nd. Which more than likely is a correct seeded weight class and makes sense. Then 126 is all out of wack. The way things look here you could be a 3 time state champ. Wrestled one weight class and was injured early in the year. You came back and wrestled another weight class but isn't seeded due to criteria or common sense. Kind of funny and not funny at the same time!! Criteria's are agrued one way when its in your teams best interest, but another way when its not. I do know why a lot of the teams haven't wrestled each other in awhile. Changes need to happen for sure or you will keep running into the same problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eckert Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Actually Moises didn't wrestle any of the guys. Sorry thought he did this past Saturday, but he didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navy80 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 It hurts Koerner at 126 because he drew Schitter first round and Taylor at 152 because he drew Kersteins firts round...I just think you have to use common sense here, Taylor and Kerstiens could very well be a finals match but instead it will be a first round match. at 126 Schitter is a State qaulifier! IMO 1. Schitter Jasper 2-1 2. Jarrod Hemmings B 29-7 3. Ryan Koerner W 29-3 4. Austin Bethel MV 17-0 126 gets even tougher because you have Bethel who has an 0 losses but Koerner is a semi state qaulifier... I'm not sure about if Hemmings has a win over Koerner but I'd assume he does. Just having fun with this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eckert Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Who drew Lutz Princeton at 132. He too isn't seeded, but could very easily win this weight. Or is he out for this tournament. What were the criteria used for this tournament? Can someone post them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alduflux Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Who is the host this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Stevens Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 Brackets 106 Paul Konrath MV 33-1 Kyler McKinney PR 20-10 FF WA Aaron Wood MC 27-4 Joel Nawl VL 31-4 Bye Tyler Simpson B 13-25 Dillon Hurst J 18-6 113 Harley Gorman MV 25-4 FF PR FF MC Jake Wilson WA 15-12 Tyler Denney B 22-16 Bye FF VL Geordon Terwiske J 12-11 120 Noah Keller MV 27-7 Patrick Summers PR 1-9 FF WA Tommy Whitehouse B 4-2 Luke Wolfe MC 11-7 FF VL Bye Tommy Brock J 17-9 126 Jarrod Hemmings B 29-7 Beau Johnson MC 10-9 Cameron Moline PR 6-11 Austin Bethel MV 17-0 Ryan Koerner WA 29-3 Nathan Schitter J 2-1 Bye Jared Suanes VL 20-12 132 Mikie Boger VL 23-10 Adrian Madison PR 0-7 Edgardo Meza WA 0-0 Cameron Sanders J 8-10 Logan Fuqua B 20-13 Logan Johnson MC 17-13 Bye Julian Suar MV 23-11 138 Charlie Allen B 34-4 Bye Jared Cannato MV 8-13 Eric Gelhausen J 8-10 Alex Warner VL 9-13 Isaac Key PR 4-18 FF MC Isaac Drew WA 17-6 145 Korbin Karges PR 11-2 Seth Titzer B 2-2 Bye Dillon Brower WA 10-17 Dane Wilson MV 18-7 Triston Tromley VL 12-14 Tyler Moore MC 4-13 Brandon Hernandez J 9-8 152 Beau Taylor MC 24-5 Ruger Kersteins J 22-4 FF VL Graham Dougan PR 15-10 Payton Whoberry MV 23-4 Bye Josh Pollack B 4-3 Ritchie Osha WA 25-1 160 Colton Winge B 24-13 Dalton Devine WA 8-19 Parker Wilkinson MC 12-7 Noah Collon J 7-3 Ethan Harms MV 12-18 Payton Halbig PR 5-22 Bye Joseph Bauer VL 14-21 170 Cole Kreilein J 18-8 Kane Garcia MC 5-4 Bye Zach Peerman MV 3-3 Jake Owens WA 16-16 Kody Neiring B 13-16 Austin Sprinkle VL 1-10 Joe Bichler PR 15-11 182 Ian Songer J 17-4 FF PR Bye Nic Dellion VL 21-13 Tyler DeKemper MV 23-10 Keith Miller B 4-5 Michael Basham WA 3-13 Cody Wall MC 28-3 195 Jacob Newton B 19-1 FF PR Bye Trent Smith J 15-11 Rashon Jefferson VL 28-8 Kyle Lang MV 19-13 Branson Hall MC 12-11 Edwin Revolorio WA 28-4 220 Andrew Wise MC 25-2 Bye Alex Garrison B 13-25 Zane Small VL 12-21 Tristin Choate MV 31-5 FF WA FF PR Carson Popp J 11-6 285 Austin Stallings MV 18-4 Charles Ellis VL 4-18 Bye Luke Thornton WA 7-6 Jacob Jones B 23-10 Chase Linson MC 4-4 Logan Halbig PR 6-16 Moises Valenciano J 1-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernIndianaVoice Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Predictions 106 Konrath Nawl Hurst Wood 113 Gorman Terwiske Wilson Denney 120 Keller Brock Whitehouse Wolfe 126 Schitter Bethel Hemmings Suanes 132 Meza Suar Fuqua Boger 138 Allen Drew Gelhausen Cannato 145 Karges Hernandez Wilson Tromley 152 Kersteins Osha Whoberry Dougan 160 Winge Harms Collon Bauer 170 Kreilein Bichler Owens Neiring 182 Songer DeKemper Wall Dellion 195 Jefferson Newton Revolorio Smith 220 Wise Popp Choate Small 285 Valenciano Thornton Jones Stallings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In The Bleachers Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 106 Konrath Hurst Nawl Wood Mckinney Simpson 113 Gorman Terwiske Denney Wilson FF FF 120 Brock Keller Whitehouse Wolfe Summers FF 126 Bethel Schitter Hemmings Suanes Koerners Johnson 132 Suar Meza Boger Fuqua Sanders Johnson 138 Allen Drew Gelhausen Cannato Warner Key 145 Karges Wilson Hernandez Brower Titzer Tromley 152 Osha Kersteins Taylor Dougan Whoberry Pollack 160 Winge Harms Collons Bauer Wilkenson Halbig 170 Kreilein Bichler Owens Peerman Neiring Garcia 182 Songer Wall Dekemper Dellion Miller FF 195 Newton Jefferson Revolorio Lang Smith FF 220 Wise..... either of these two can win it is just who is on top of their game Saturday Choate... Like I said either one Popp Small Garrison FF 285 Jones Stallings Valeciano Thorton Linson Ellis My Humble Opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernIndianaVoice Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Pretty solid picks. I personally would love to see the Bethel/Schitter match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In The Bleachers Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 What time does the meet start? and is it at the high school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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