jgmotorfan Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Its about respect, no respect for himself, no respect for Delgado,no respect for Iowa coaches and his school, no respect for the Big Ten and most of all no respect for every wrester that has ever put forth the effort to become not only better wrestler's but better human beings. How can we ask the I.O.C. for respect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aoberlin Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Just tell me where the button is Mark! I would "like" this comment. LOL. Thx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toe the Line Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 My son smashed his trophy once we got home and was cleaning out the car from our trip!!! No one seen himbesides myself and we had a discussion about his actions and i made things perfectly clear to him about his decisions. with that being said i don't think my son disrespected anyone or the sport but i do think he could have been a little more subtle about how he handled the situation but at the same time it is his trophy and if he feels like it was meaningless to him then by all means he has the right to smash it as he earned it!!! I am also the same parent that was told i needed to allow my middle son to celebrate being an elementary gold all american out in kingsport after he did a front flip and i jumped his tail for celebrating a win!!! i told him we don't celebrate like that after a win we act like we are use to winning and shake hands and walk off the mat not do flips!!! Guess the OLYMPIC coach that gave me this advice was wrong as well right?!?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1oldwrestler Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 My son smashed his trophy once we got home and was cleaning out the car from our trip!!! No one seen himbesides myself and we had a discussion about his actions and i made things perfectly clear to him about his decisions. with that being said i don't think my son disrespected anyone or the sport but i do think he could have been a little more subtle about how he handled the situation but at the same time it is his trophy and if he feels like it was meaningless to him then by all means he has the right to smash it as he earned it!!! I am also the same parent that was told i needed to allow my middle son to celebrate being an elementary gold all american out in kingsport after he did a front flip and i jumped his tail for celebrating a win!!! i told him we don't celebrate like that after a win we act like we are use to winning and shake hands and walk off the mat not do flips!!! Guess the OLYMPIC coach that gave me this advice was wrong as well right?!?!?!? I love it when people write stuff, then people jump on them, then the person gives us the rest of story. Mr, Toe, you asked a question as to should you be mad at your kid for breaking his trophy after he didnt pin everyone at a national tournament. Numerous people said yes, you should be angry. Then you feel the need to respond and explain that it happened after you got home, blah, blah. Write that in the first place if you feel the need to explain your kids actions. Btw, i love your taking the opportunity to brag about how good your kids are in this thread. Imaginitive for sure. Do you have any othe big national tournaments your kids dominated that we should hear about? Any other conversations with olympic coaches? Your adoring public needs to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicman_117 Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 I dont even remember what I did with my runner up medal I was crying so hard. I think my mom might have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbburn12 Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 What he did was wrong period. For all the stuff they teach at IOWA if that's the lesson they take from their years there then its the wrong lesson. It just galls me to go to sectional and regional and see someone rip up their 2nd ,3rd or 4th ribbon usually right in front of parents or team mates just to show that they "know" that only first lace counts. At the state meet the kids who wrestled Robinson and Sliga weren't going to win if they wrestled 10 more times. The kid who was supposed to lose to Micic gave him a hell of a battle and didn't read all the press before the match. A couple of undefeateds go at it at 170 and one loses in the last 30 seconds. Should someone be disappointed after getting that close ? Sure why not but to act out ,I say no. The sport ,the lessons learned, the conditioning and physical confidence it gives young men and women far transcends any levels they may ascend. There are only 14 state champs ,10 national champs, adnd 7 Olympic champions .You only need a couple extra hands and feet to count that on. Strive to be the best the rest is only feedback as to the effort you put into it. I can fully understand how McDonough would feel. 2 x NCAA champion who only lost to the one person in sport history that made having only one leg an advantage. Now in his senior year seemingly regressing yet still very much a contender. It has to be frustrating. I hope for the sake of many thousands of young wrestlers he realizes what he did was wrong and very unsportsman like. The next sound you hear is my big fat a$$ jumping off of the pedastal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smooth34 Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Once had a coach smash a runner-up, regular season tournament trophy the morning before sectionals before we got on the bus-- saying 2nd place wasn't good enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fire77 Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 You DO the very best you can and then accept it. That' s one of the things sports teaches you. I wonder if Dan Gable who lost his last college match thru away the second place award or re dedicated himself to go on and win a gold medal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madtownxwrestler Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 d41d8cd98f00b204restler link=topic=26447.msg176910#msg176910 date=1363121133] I think it's pretty disrespectful to Delgado... you got beat fair and square, man up and take your second place medal. I understand the "runner up is the first loser" mentality Iowa has, but to act like you are too good for second place after being dominated for the second time is arrogant and a display of poor sportsmanship toward your opponent. I've read that he has requested for the medal to be returned, so it sounds like he regrets the decision, but a fifth year senior who's been wrestling at such a high level for so long should know better. Delgado has had to stand below McDonough on the podium in the past, and now it's McDonough's turn. Gable didn't pull a stunt like this in public after he lost the final match of his college career. I don't believe Delgado gives a crap what McD does with his award.... Awards are just a reminder of the event and him tossing that medal in the trash doesn't change the beat down Delgado gave him.... Might have been better served to crawl into the trash can himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 I think McDonough throwing his medal in the trash is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 It might be something he'll get use to... This is not the first time we've seen poor sportsmanship from an Iowa wrestler. Do you remember Metcalf's tantrum after losing to Caldwell in NCAA finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Is what McD did really all that bad? It seems that he is being overanalyzed here... There are way worse examples of sportsmanship across the boards. And to those who are making the cracks that he better get used to it, or what will he do next weekend, yadda yadda yadda, does that put you at an equal level for sitting here attacking a young man behind a computer? Maybe at NCAA's one of you guys could get some one on one time w/ him and express your concerns too him and how it could dramatically impact the culture of our sport. This might forever be looked at as the "McDonough Incident" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenadier2012 Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 This is not the first time we've seen poor sportsmanship from an Iowa wrestler. Do you remember Metcalf's tantrum after losing to Caldwell in NCAA finals. Wrestling to the whistle.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Wrestling to the whistle.... The push was after the whistle. Metcalf should of have been defaulted out of the tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 The push was after the whistle. Metcalf should of have been defaulted out of the tournament. The initial start of the sommesault wasn't, Metcalf made his move at the whistle, where was the fleeing the mat, stalling, and unsportsmanlike on Caldwell? Oh wait, he wasn't wearing black and gold, so it was okay.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 The initial start of the sommesault wasn't, Metcalf made his move at the whistle, where was the fleeing the mat, stalling, and unsportsmanlike on Caldwell? Oh wait, he wasn't wearing black and gold, so it was okay.... OK- Give him a stalling warning, a point for fleeing the mat and a point for unsportsmanlike conduct. Caldwell still would of won by 5 points. I think the Black and Gold saved him from Flagrant Misconduct call and from the embarrassment from being escorted out of the stadium by security after being rejected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Final score was 9-6 i believe, it would have been second stall call, so potentially 9 - 9. But I've never seen all 3 calls made in 3 seconds. Just pointing out that Caldwell wasn't completely innocent. There was an unsportsmanlike against Metcalf called after the match. It's the Iowa nature/culture and it's not completely on Brands. Gable was pretty intense also. I have memories of him slapping the snot out of guys like Mena, Williams, Ironside, McIlravy, Fullhart, Whitmer, etc before they would go out on the mat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimtown 138 Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Is what McD did really all that bad? It seems that he is being overanalyzed here... There are way worse examples of sportsmanship across the boards. And to those who are making the cracks that he better get used to it, or what will he do next weekend, yadda yadda yadda, does that put you at an equal level for sitting here attacking a young man behind a computer? Maybe at NCAA's one of you guys could get some one on one time w/ him and express your concerns too him and how it could dramatically impact the culture of our sport. This might forever be looked at as the "McDonough Incident" Attacking a young man is something that I swore I would never do on this site. I'll delete the offending post... I apologize to Matt McDonough. I guess I forgot that respect is earned... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galagore Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Is what McD did really all that bad? It seems that he is being overanalyzed here... There are way worse examples of sportsmanship across the boards. And to those who are making the cracks that he better get used to it, or what will he do next weekend, yadda yadda yadda, does that put you at an equal level for sitting here attacking a young man behind a computer? Maybe at NCAA's one of you guys could get some one on one time w/ him and express your concerns too him and how it could dramatically impact the culture of our sport. This might forever be looked at as the "McDonough Incident" Not a good argument. Because someone did something worse does not make another bad action acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 What was the bad action? He didn't take a leak on a medal in the middle of the mat. He didn't hit a sommersault/back flip while time was on the clock? At least he didn't litter, I would have been offended had it been found in a Champaign gutter, then he's a litter bug. McD is a 2x NCAA champion, probably a 3x'er if not for the "Robles Rules". You expect an athlete of that caliber to give hugs and high fives when he gets beat? He went to the awards podium, he accepted his medal on the awards podium, then he dumped it, big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimtown 138 Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 What was the bad action? He didn't take a leak on a medal in the middle of the mat. He didn't hit a sommersault/back flip while time was on the clock? At least he didn't litter, I would have been offended had it been found in a Champaign gutter, then he's a litter bug. McD is a 2x NCAA champion, probably a 3x'er if not for the "Robles Rules". You expect an athlete of that caliber to give hugs and high fives when he gets beat? He went to the awards podium, he accepted his medal on the awards podium, then he dumped it, big deal. I would expect him to act like a respectful man, but that's just me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galagore Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Two things.... 1. I never said it was a bad action. I stated that saying others have done worse is a poor argument. If it is acceptable action, then it is acceptable; if not, then it is not. Someone having done "far worse" does not validate anything. 2. There is a whole huge gray area between public urination and high fiving and hugging people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 2. There is a whole huge gray area between public urination and high fiving and hugging people. As long as the high five is before the urination, it's probably fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 I would expect him to act like a respectful man, but that's just me... Who did he disrespect? The Big Ten, maybe, okay I'll go with you on that. But I doubt the gym gasped when it happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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