tskin Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Ok year after year I hear of a number of different sets of middle school weight classes. I would really like to see a standard set of weights used across the board in Indiana. So I am curious as to what weights are used for your school or area. Please respond to this at tskinner@madison.k12.in.us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Peck Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Ok year after year I hear of a number of different sets of middle school weight classes. I would really like to see a standard set of weights used across the board in Indiana. So I am curious as to what weights are used for your school or area. Please respond to this at tskinner@madison.k12.in.us Good luck!!!! That has been a topic of discussion for about 25 years. When you get every MS in the State using the same weight classes then we will have you carried to the center of the gym at Middle School State and have eveyone pay homage to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tskin Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 hahaha that sounds like a challenge.... What weights you guys use Rex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLane Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Was at Avon North MS vs Avon South MS and I noticed there was 23 weight classes. Is that normal or just away for MS kids to get matches? 70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 110, 115, 120, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 155, 165, 175, 185, 200, 220, HWT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tskin Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 When it comes to middle school weights their is no normal...I have heard from 15 schools and gotten 6 different sets of weights they use...Keep them coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 We are in two middle school conferences....both use different weights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randalllynch Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 We use the weights from Middle School State Randy Lynch Scribner Wrestling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tskin Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 Y2 what are the conferences and what weights do they use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I don't know what the weights are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkraus Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I coach middle school wrestling at Garrett. As Joe said, we're in two conferences, the TCAC and ACAC. We've used different weights and I just quit worrying about which weight classes we're using because it's different everywhere we travel. Against FW Blackhawk we had 75-80-85-90-95-100-105-110-115-120-125-130-135-140-145-155-165-175-200-230-260 against Heritage it was the same up until 130 and then it was 138-145-152-160-170-185-215-250 Against Central Noble it was slightly different. It was back to 135 from 138 and then the other differences were 152-160-171-189-215 -and "Hvy" Against Fremont they followed the same as Central Noble. ....This baffles me. We need a universal set of weight classes for middle school wrestling in Indiana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Just as an addendum the TCAC is the Tri-County Athletic Conference featuring Garrett, Angola, Eastside and Fremont. The ACAC is the same as the high school conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tskin Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 So as of now this is what i have compiled........ Southern Indiana Junior High Athletic Conference Mt. Vernon, Castle North, Castle South, Boonville, Jasper, Washington, Princeton, and Vincennes. 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 110, 115, 120, 125, 130, 135, 145, 155, 165, 175, 200, and 285 Jennings Co, Seymour, Columbus Central, Columbus Northside 75-80-85-90-95-100-105-110-115-120-125-130-135-140-145-155-165-175-185-200-241-285 1 pound allowance in Jan, 2 pound allowance in Feb. Madison 70-75-80-85-90-95-100-105-110-115-120-125-130-135-140-145-155-165-175-185-200-220-285 Delta 70-75-80-85-90-95-100-105-110-115-120-125-130-135-140-145-152-160-180-210-285 70-75-80-85-90-95-100-105-110-115-120-125-135-145-155-165-175-285 Yorktown 75-80-85-90-95-100-105-110-115-120-125-135-145-152-160-175-285 IHSWCA Middle School State, Scribner, River Valley, Parkview 75-80-85-90-95-102-110-117-125-132-140-150-160-175-195-220-275 Hamilton County (Westfield) 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 110, 115, 120, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 155, 165, 180, 215, 285 Avon EAST, Avon WEST, Brownsburg EAST, Brownsburg WEST, Tecumseh (Lay. Jeff), Zionsville Middle, Zionsville WEST 70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 110, 115, 120, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 155, 165, 180, 210, 240, 285 Avon North, Avon South 70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 110, 115, 120, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 155, 165, 175, 185, 200, 220, HWT FW Blackhawk 75-80-85-90-95-100-105-110-115-120-125-130-135-140-145-155-165-175-200-230-260 Heritage 75-80-85-90-95-100-105-110-115-120-125-130-138-145-152-160-170-185-215-250 Central Noble, Fremont 75-80-85-90-95-100-105-110-115-120-125-130-135-140-145-152-160-171-189-215-285 Eastern 70-75-80-85-90-95-102-110-117-125-132-140-150-160-175-195-220-275 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLane Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Avon EAST, Avon WEST, Brownsburg EAST, Brownsburg WEST, Tecumseh (Lay. Jeff), Zionsville Middle, Zionsville WEST 70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 110, 115, 120, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 155, 165, 180, 210, 240, 285 Avon North, Avon South 70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 110, 115, 120, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 155, 165, 175, 185, 200, 220, HWT Top one is correct for Avon Schools (which is North and South not east and west), just looked at rosters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chambers Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 PAC teams are Tell City, Heritage Hills, South Spencer, Forest Park, Southridge, Pike Central, Tecumseh, Gibson Southern, and North Posey. 70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 110, 115, 120, 125, 130, 135, 145, 155, 165, 180, 200, 285 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicman_117 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Summit and the NHML conference uses the weights 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 102, 110, 117, 125, 132, 140, 150, 165, 175, 195, 220, 275 I hate these and wish the conference would change back to the old weights that escalated by fives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCwrestling Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Marion County 70-75-80-85-90-95-100-105-110-115-120-125-130-135-140-145-155-165-180-210-240-HWT matches are 3-1min periods out of Marion County alot are 2-1-1 or 1-1:30-1:30 I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Weights are different, but so is the time.... Some places have 1-1-1 ... some have 1-1:30-1:30 ... some 1:00 -2:00-2:00... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I've brought this up a few times now to some of the IHSWCA people. I see no reason why we can't agree upon a standard set of weights at least and have the High School coaches push it on the MS. It would clear up a lot of the confusion that occurs between AD's that don't communicate/understand, and lay coaches that are very hard to contact. Coaches should be worry about how to prepare their wrestlers for the meet not what the heck is going on with the weights. A standard time for varsity would be the next best addition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlittlejohn Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I've brought this up a few times now to some of the IHSWCA people. I see no reason why we can't agree upon a standard set of weights at least and have the High School coaches push it on the MS. It would clear up a lot of the confusion that occurs between AD's that don't communicate/understand, and lay coaches that are very hard to contact. Coaches should be worry about how to prepare their wrestlers for the meet not what the heck is going on with the weights. A standard time for varsity would be the next best addition. A problem that I have sadly noticed is that many middle schools (administrators) want to operate independently from the high schools some going so far as to limit access and involvement by the high school coaches. I've seen this take place at schools and programs of all sizes and levels of success across the state. It really makes you wander where some people's priorities, responsibilities and accountabilites lie. Egos and control issues tend to be the largest obsticles from what I've observed. Another huge hurdle is tradition. Everything from Competition Seasons, bout/period length, weight classes and even weigh-in procedures have been regionalized and those traditional aspects will be difficult to overcome without some serious leadership. I for one would like to see the IHSWCA form a committee aimed toward addressing this issue. It may very well be impossible to accomplish, but, it is not unreasonable to make an honest attempt at suggesting some guidance in the form of possitive educational feedback. I was discussing this vary topic with Danny Struck, IHSWCA (incoming) President during the IHSWCA Hall of Fame Banquet this past Sunday. There is certainly interest in approaching the challange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlevito Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Summit and the NHML conference uses the weights 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 102, 110, 117, 125, 132, 140, 150, 165, 175, 195, 220, 275 I hate these and wish the conference would change back to the old weights that escalated by fives. I like these weight classes. There is no reason to have 20 some weight classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehscoachdavis Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Eastside uses the same weight classes as Fremont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGoatGrappler Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Sounds like it might be time to form a Indiana Middle School Wrestling Coaches Association (IMSWCA)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sslaymon Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Clark Pleasant (Whiteland) uses the following 70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 110, 115, 120, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 155, 165, 180, 210, 240, 285 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tskin Posted February 22, 2013 Author Share Posted February 22, 2013 A problem that I have sadly noticed is that many middle schools (administrators) want to operate independently from the high schools some going so far as to limit access and involvement by the high school coaches. I've seen this take place at schools and programs of all sizes and levels of success across the state. It really makes you wander where some people's priorities, responsibilities and accountabilites lie. Egos and control issues tend to be the largest obsticles from what I've observed. Another huge hurdle is tradition. Everything from Competition Seasons, bout/period length, weight classes and even weigh-in procedures have been regionalized and those traditional aspects will be difficult to overcome without some serious leadership. I for one would like to see the IHSWCA form a committee aimed toward addressing this issue. It may very well be impossible to accomplish, but, it is not unreasonable to make an honest attempt at suggesting some guidance in the form of possitive educational feedback. I was discussing this vary topic with Danny Struck, IHSWCA (incoming) President during the IHSWCA Hall of Fame Banquet this past Sunday. There is certainly interest in approaching the challange. this is the basis of this whole post. I really want to try to get something set up through the IHSWCA in the future. I have talked to MattM about this several times and I want to see how many sets we are dealing with before tackling the issue. This will prob be near impossible to accomplish but I think it is something that can be addressed. The biggest hurdle is with MS or Jr High programs not being under a "governing body" like the IHSAA it will be tough to enforce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Some of the regional issues I don't feel need to be necessarily regulated. Items like start and end of season or when to offer any type of weight allowance (if there is one) due this are going to vary from region to region. But, they also aren't the main issue causing confusion and conflict either. However, I don't understand why weight classes can't be more universal nor why most coaches wouldnt want them. If you've ever had to communicate theough MS AD's and lay coaches to find out whats happening at the MS level you would more than likely agree standard weights would be a big help. I agree with LittleJohn that some program will be more difficult to wrangle in than other. But even if 75% of the MS programs comply it would be a major change, and I would guess most of the rest would begin to follow suit. Just like large HS programs if you have tons of extra kids wrestle more exhibition matches or if your programs that large maybe even a second MS varsity team. Regulating the weights is not limiting the competition it's just eliviating many of the communication issues. The next possible regulation point maybe a set match time, but that is of far less concern than the weight issue is. I don't care which set of weights are used MS State, a hybrid version of the two ISWA age group weights, what most MS programs use now, etc. but a standard that most follow would be nice. I also agree it doesn't have to be 23+ weight classes either (which would helps smaller programs still be competitive too). I would love to see IN begin to place more emphasis on the MS importance of the MS level like some of the other top states have done over the years. We are starting to with MS State, MS Duals, a more extensive ISWA Folkstyle season, and more youth academies, but these are all outside of school things for the most part. I think a little emphasis could be placed on also developing some of the inside of school items where most kids that will comprise a high school team will first experience wrestling. To me we as a state (some programs due) have not done enough to support that group or their coaches as much as we could. Having a speaker at a IHSWA address some of those development and program connection elements is always a plus too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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