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Ok year after year I hear of a number of different sets of middle school weight classes.  I would really like to see a standard set of weights used across the board in Indiana.  So I am curious as to what weights are used for your school or area.  Please respond to this at tskinner@madison.k12.in.us

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Ok year after year I hear of a number of different sets of middle school weight classes.  I would really like to see a standard set of weights used across the board in Indiana.  So I am curious as to what weights are used for your school or area.  Please respond to this at tskinner@madison.k12.in.us

 

Good luck!!!!  That has been a topic of discussion for about 25 years.  When you get every MS in the State using the same weight classes then we will have you carried to the center of the gym at Middle School State and have eveyone pay homage to you.

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I coach middle school wrestling at Garrett.  As Joe said, we're in two conferences, the TCAC and ACAC.  We've used different weights and I just quit worrying about which weight classes we're using because it's different everywhere we travel.  Against FW Blackhawk we had 75-80-85-90-95-100-105-110-115-120-125-130-135-140-145-155-165-175-200-230-260

against Heritage it was the same up until 130 and then it was 138-145-152-160-170-185-215-250

 

Against Central Noble it was slightly different.  It was back to 135 from 138 and then the other differences were 152-160-171-189-215 -and "Hvy"

 

Against Fremont they followed the same as Central Noble.  ....This baffles me.  We need a universal set of weight classes for middle school wrestling in Indiana.

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So as of now this is what i have compiled........

 

Southern Indiana Junior High Athletic Conference

Mt. Vernon, Castle North, Castle South, Boonville, Jasper, Washington, Princeton, and Vincennes.

80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 110, 115, 120, 125, 130, 135, 145, 155, 165, 175, 200, and 285

 

Jennings Co, Seymour, Columbus Central, Columbus Northside

75-80-85-90-95-100-105-110-115-120-125-130-135-140-145-155-165-175-185-200-241-285

1 pound allowance in Jan, 2 pound allowance in Feb.

 

Madison

70-75-80-85-90-95-100-105-110-115-120-125-130-135-140-145-155-165-175-185-200-220-285

 

Delta

70-75-80-85-90-95-100-105-110-115-120-125-130-135-140-145-152-160-180-210-285

70-75-80-85-90-95-100-105-110-115-120-125-135-145-155-165-175-285

 

Yorktown

75-80-85-90-95-100-105-110-115-120-125-135-145-152-160-175-285

 

IHSWCA Middle School State, Scribner, River Valley, Parkview

75-80-85-90-95-102-110-117-125-132-140-150-160-175-195-220-275

 

 

Hamilton County (Westfield)

75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 110, 115, 120, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 155, 165, 180, 215, 285

 

 

Avon EAST, Avon WEST, Brownsburg EAST, Brownsburg WEST, Tecumseh (Lay. Jeff), Zionsville Middle, Zionsville WEST

70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 110, 115, 120, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 155, 165, 180, 210, 240, 285

 

 

Avon North, Avon South

70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 110, 115, 120, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 155, 165, 175, 185, 200, 220, HWT

 

 

FW Blackhawk

75-80-85-90-95-100-105-110-115-120-125-130-135-140-145-155-165-175-200-230-260

 

 

Heritage

75-80-85-90-95-100-105-110-115-120-125-130-138-145-152-160-170-185-215-250

 

Central Noble, Fremont

75-80-85-90-95-100-105-110-115-120-125-130-135-140-145-152-160-171-189-215-285

 

Eastern

70-75-80-85-90-95-102-110-117-125-132-140-150-160-175-195-220-275

 

 

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Avon EAST, Avon WEST, Brownsburg EAST, Brownsburg WEST, Tecumseh (Lay. Jeff), Zionsville Middle, Zionsville WEST

70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 110, 115, 120, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 155, 165, 180, 210, 240, 285

 

 

Avon North, Avon South

70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 110, 115, 120, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 155, 165, 175, 185, 200, 220, HWT

 

Top one is correct for Avon Schools (which is North and South not east and west), just looked at rosters

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PAC teams are Tell City, Heritage Hills, South Spencer, Forest Park, Southridge, Pike Central, Tecumseh, Gibson Southern, and North Posey.

70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 110, 115, 120, 125, 130, 135, 145, 155, 165, 180, 200, 285

 

 

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I've brought this up a few times now to some of the IHSWCA people.  I see no reason why we can't agree upon a standard set of weights at least and have the High School coaches push it on the MS.  It would clear up a lot of the confusion that occurs between AD's that don't communicate/understand, and lay coaches that are very hard to contact.  Coaches should be worry about how to prepare their wrestlers for the meet not what the heck is going on with the weights.    A standard time for varsity would be the next best addition.

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I've brought this up a few times now to some of the IHSWCA people.  I see no reason why we can't agree upon a standard set of weights at least and have the High School coaches push it on the MS.  It would clear up a lot of the confusion that occurs between AD's that don't communicate/understand, and lay coaches that are very hard to contact.  Coaches should be worry about how to prepare their wrestlers for the meet not what the heck is going on with the weights.    A standard time for varsity would be the next best addition.

 

A problem that I have sadly noticed is that many middle schools (administrators) want to operate independently from the high schools some going so far as to limit access and involvement by the high school coaches. I've seen this take place at schools and programs of all sizes and levels of success across the state. It really makes you wander where some people's priorities, responsibilities and accountabilites lie. Egos and control issues tend to be the largest obsticles from what I've observed. Another huge hurdle is tradition. Everything from Competition Seasons, bout/period length, weight classes and even weigh-in procedures have been regionalized and those traditional aspects will be difficult to overcome without some serious leadership. I for one would like to see the IHSWCA form a committee aimed toward addressing this issue. It may very well be impossible to accomplish, but, it is not unreasonable to make an honest attempt at suggesting some guidance in the form of possitive educational feedback. I was discussing this vary topic with Danny Struck, IHSWCA (incoming) President during the IHSWCA Hall of Fame Banquet this past Sunday. There is certainly interest in approaching the challange.

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Summit and the NHML conference uses the weights

75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 102, 110, 117, 125, 132, 140, 150, 165, 175, 195, 220, 275

I hate these and wish the conference would change back to the old weights that escalated by fives.

 

I like these weight classes. There is no reason to have 20 some weight classes.

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A problem that I have sadly noticed is that many middle schools (administrators) want to operate independently from the high schools some going so far as to limit access and involvement by the high school coaches. I've seen this take place at schools and programs of all sizes and levels of success across the state. It really makes you wander where some people's priorities, responsibilities and accountabilites lie. Egos and control issues tend to be the largest obsticles from what I've observed. Another huge hurdle is tradition. Everything from Competition Seasons, bout/period length, weight classes and even weigh-in procedures have been regionalized and those traditional aspects will be difficult to overcome without some serious leadership. I for one would like to see the IHSWCA form a committee aimed toward addressing this issue. It may very well be impossible to accomplish, but, it is not unreasonable to make an honest attempt at suggesting some guidance in the form of possitive educational feedback. I was discussing this vary topic with Danny Struck, IHSWCA (incoming) President during the IHSWCA Hall of Fame Banquet this past Sunday. There is certainly interest in approaching the challange.

 

this is the basis of this whole post.  I really want to try to get something set up through the IHSWCA in the future.  I have talked to MattM about this several times and I want to see how many sets we are dealing with before tackling the issue.  This will prob be near impossible to accomplish but I think it is something that can be addressed.  The biggest hurdle is with MS or Jr High programs not being under a "governing body" like the IHSAA it will be tough to enforce.

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Some of the regional issues I don't feel need to be necessarily regulated.  Items like start and end of season or when to offer any type of weight allowance (if there is one) due this are going to vary from region to region.  But, they also aren't the main issue causing confusion and conflict either.  However, I don't understand why weight classes can't be more universal nor why most coaches wouldnt want them.  If you've ever had to communicate theough MS AD's and lay coaches to find out whats happening at the MS level you would more than likely agree standard weights would be a big help.  I agree with LittleJohn that some program will be more difficult to wrangle in than other.  But even if 75% of the MS programs comply it would be a major change, and I would guess most of the rest would begin to follow suit.  Just like large HS programs if you have tons of extra kids wrestle more exhibition matches or if your programs that large maybe even a second MS varsity team.  Regulating the weights is not limiting the competition it's just eliviating many of the communication issues.    The next possible regulation point maybe a set match time, but that is of far less concern than the weight issue is.    I don't care which set of weights are used MS State, a hybrid version of the two ISWA age group weights, what most MS programs use now, etc. but a standard that most follow would be nice.  I also agree it doesn't have to be 23+ weight classes either (which would helps smaller programs still be competitive too).  I would love to see IN begin to place more emphasis on the MS  importance of the MS level like some of the other top states have done over the years.  We are starting to with MS State, MS Duals, a more extensive ISWA Folkstyle season, and more youth academies, but these are all outside of school things for the most part.    I think a little emphasis could be placed on also developing some of the inside of school items where most kids that will comprise a high school team will first experience wrestling.  To me we as a state (some programs due) have not done enough to support that group or their coaches as much as we could.  Having a speaker at a IHSWA address some of those development and program connection elements is always a plus too. 

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