RegionRoyalty Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 At the end of the first period, when Wilson is in on that double leg for 45 seconds on the edge with no change, the referee signals no takedown and his assistant overrules him and says that indeed it was a takedown. My question for someone with a better understanding of the rules than I have, is could this have been an instance of "bad time" in the NFHS rulebook? Bad time can be called when a referee allows the wrestlers to take time off of the clock in the wrong position (in this case, neutral instead of Wilson on top and Hughes on bottom). Time can then be put back on the clock. Since the position did not change, when was it during that situation that control was established? If it was at the beginning, then was Wilson locking hands for 45 seconds without being penalized? This seemed to me to be an instance where "bad time" could have been called and that 45 seconds put back on the clock. Unfortunate call, and the 2nd really bad one in two years at the State Finals for this highly rated official. (see Robinson/Kral out of bounds in 2012) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontherise219 Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 that is a very good question..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodakchamp Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 I was wondering the same thing as to when the asistant thought control was established, it had to have happened before time ran out. GREAT QUESTION, although I don't think it changes the match outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskanMountie Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Which official had this match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontherise219 Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Which official had this match? i don't think that Matters I think the original question is a very good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingMan2 Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Official #11 Ray Pettit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegionRoyalty Posted February 18, 2013 Author Share Posted February 18, 2013 Ray did not have this match. Ray was fantastic all weekend. Official #5 had this match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskanMountie Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 i don't think that Matters I think the original question is a very good one. The origianl question, albeit a good one, doesn't matter since there is nothing anyone can do about it now. What I can do as a head coach is be more informed on the officials that have a tendency to make incorrect calls on the biggest stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feez Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 At the end of the first period, when Wilson is in on that double leg for 45 seconds on the edge with no change, the referee signals no takedown and his assistant overrules him and says that indeed it was a takedown. My question for someone with a better understanding of the rules than I have, is could this have been an instance of "bad time" in the NFHS rulebook? Bad time can be called when a referee allows the wrestlers to take time off of the clock in the wrong position (in this case, neutral instead of Wilson on top and Hughes on bottom). Time can then be put back on the clock. Since the position did not change, when was it during that situation that control was established? If it was at the beginning, then was Wilson locking hands for 45 seconds without being penalized? This seemed to me to be an instance where "bad time" could have been called and that 45 seconds put back on the clock. Unfortunate call, and the 2nd really bad one in two years at the State Finals for this highly rated official. (see Robinson/Kral out of bounds in 2012) The official is in charge of the match not the assistant. He never signaled a takedown, therefore there was no locked hands and henceforth no "bad time" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingMan2 Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Ray did not have this match. Ray was fantastic all weekend. Official #5 had this match That's what it says in the Program... I'm sorry if my information was incorrect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-train Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 They were just sitting there with no change of position. I thought at e very least that a stalemate was warranted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southfan05 Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 I thought the officials sucked all weekend seemed like they had the replacement reffs in there this weekend... Complete bullcrap calls all weekend never seen anything like it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCard Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 The origianl question, albeit a good one, doesn't matter since there is nothing anyone can do about it now. What I can do as a head coach is be more informed on the officials that have a tendency to make incorrect calls on the biggest stage. Nothing can be done yes, but to say it doesn't matter would be incorrect. Getting a correct ruling on this can prepare a coach in the future should a similar situation arise. They were just sitting there with no change of position. I thought at e very least that a stalemate was warranted. Thought the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1gold Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 I was discussing this match in" Refs clinic for parents?" at top . Hughs did have arms around waist if memory is correct. What is correct call , TD , stalemate , need Refs for this answer ? Might be left up to refs discretion . Wilson never did work way up to the hip , we still have no clue as to the rule book.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskanMountie Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Nothing can be done yes, but to say it doesn't matter would be incorrect. Getting a correct ruling on this can prepare a coach in the future should a similar situation arise. I think most would agree that a "stalemate" call was the correct one unless you believe there was a TD achieved. As for the original question, it does not matter in the context of the match and that is what I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangarrray Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 That's what it says in the Program... I'm sorry if my information was incorrect The officials rotation was adjusted in the finals so the program does not match the actual rotation that was used for the finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryopinionated Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I think most would agree that a "stalemate" call was the correct one unless you believe there was a TD achieved. As for the original question, it does not matter in the context of the match and that is what I meant. I saw a guy in the stands that had the rule book AND case book as an iPhone app. It was pretty sweet and he said it was $5! You can also buy them at www.ihsaa.org and www.nfhs.org for about $7 each Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meto Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 if wasnt a takedown why didnt ref call stellmate way before the 45 sec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Team Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Anyway you call it just wish we could have seen 45 seconds more of actual wrestling and never know what could happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 if wasnt a takedown why didnt ref call stellmate way before the 45 sec This was actually an easy takedown call, so they got it right. But the ref prior to the end of the period, was hoping the position would improve, but became indecisive and the result was 40-45 seconds of the match was lost. The referee, if he believed this was not a takedown, and judged that the position wasn't going to change which was obvious, then a stalemate should of been called. So if Joe thinks I'm wrong on this call, then he can demote me from x-referree to towel boy on the Flo Nationals JV mat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I actually agree with you on this call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolsteinKing Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Good question on this. The point here is that "position" is in reference to a restart of the match. On a restart if there was a mess up with offense restarting as defense or if there was control and restarting in the neutral position, or vice versa, now you have bad time. In the case you discuss, there was no bad time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaydee9970 Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 IMO and just IMO, what if they had somewhat of a rule change. How about giving the guy on the takedown just one point and come back to the middle in nuetral. This would be the same as the Robinson/Kral match. The only thing I felt Robinson did wrong was that he hit that same toss move knowing that Kral and all of us fans knew it was coming and Kral counter it. Overall, it is tough being an official in any sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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