iWatch Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 This would be a great match to watch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butt Drag Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 This would be a great match to watch! Oh brother - this again? Howe would destroy Sliga, even giving up 20 lbs, no disrespect to Mr. Sliga. Howe was college ready right away - went 2nd, 1st, and 3rd at the NCAA's. Do you know how hard it is for a true freshman to place at 165? That guy has a head you could beat with a tire iron and he would not feel it. He would likely be considered Indiana's best high school wrestling product to date. Everyone can agree that Mr. Sliga is accomplished at the Cadet level, has the opportunity to go 3,3,1,1 in Indiana, but rarely do you find big guys committed to wrestling full time, thus one could question the level of competition he faced in Indiana. Because of that, we may not be able to fully appreciate Sliga's credentials until is college career is progressing. That's why you look at the NCAA rankings each year at 197, you see a lot of no-names guys from MAC schools, Wyoming, mid-size Pennsylvania schools, etc. because these guys were probably very good football players / athletes that also wrestled part time, but then dedicate full time to wrestling in college and take off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneSoldier Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Howe would atleast would major Silga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Oh brother - this again? Howe would destroy Sliga, even giving up 20 lbs, no disrespect to Mr. Sliga. Howe was college ready right away - went 2nd, 1st, and 3rd at the NCAA's. Do you know how hard it is for a true freshman to place at 165? That guy has a head you could beat with a tire iron and he would not feel it. He would likely be considered Indiana's best high school wrestling product to date. Everyone can agree that Mr. Sliga is accomplished at the Cadet level, has the opportunity to go 3,3,1,1 in Indiana, but rarely do you find big guys committed to wrestling full time, thus one could question the level of competition he faced in Indiana. Because of that, we may not be able to fully appreciate Sliga's credentials until is college career is progressing. That's why you look at the NCAA rankings each year at 197, you see a lot of no-names guys from MAC schools, Wyoming, mid-size Pennsylvania schools, etc. because these guys were probably very good football players / athletes that also wrestled part time, but then dedicate full time to wrestling in college and take off... Do you know how hard it it is to place at 189# as a Freshman in IN? I would guess that over the past 30 years, that has happened less often than a true freshman to place in the NCAAs at 165. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fire77 Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Both have had GREAT careers. I dont get to see Sliga much and if I remember right Howe pinned or teched all of his tournament (sect, reg, SS, and state) opponets his senior year. that is impressive . I dont know , has Sliga done that this year? I would not be surprised but i dont know if he has done that so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count_the_lights_219 Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 lol... wait you're joking right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Spires Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Tsirtsis vs. Sliga anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatLover Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Howe beat David Taylor, last years hodge trophy winner, at the Olympic trials last year. Taylor teched and pinned his way through nationals. I highly doubt that Sliga vs. Howe would be a great match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butt Drag Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Do you know how hard it it is to place at 189# as a Freshman in IN? I would guess that over the past 30 years, that has happened less often than a true freshman to place in the NCAAs at 165. Admirable and impressive no doubt, Sliga is very, very good. But it also worked to his advantage later staying at that weight. But by his Senior year, Howe was just on another planet relative to everyone at the state tournament. Went on to win Fargo, was high school 192-1 and his only loss was as a freshman in the finals against Reece Humphrey who was a senior top national college recruit for Ohio State. Sliga will have a great advantage in college in that he has always been wrestling the 189-197 weight, so he won't have to worry about growing into the weight class, but he will face some great athletes in the Big Ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devildog47959 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 lol... wait you're joking right? Agreed. I love me some Sliga but come on its HOWE HS by Maj or collge Howe by TF Howe not injured he takes Burroughs the distance, if Howe wrestled for another country he would have placed top 3 at Olympics. I honestly believe he was bronze or silver if healthy & was allowed to wrestle just happens #1 in the world is at his weight same country! Sliga future is very bright but until he's got 4 yrs post HS to compare to Howe, this isn't even a discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count_the_lights_219 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Agreed. I love me some Sliga but come on its HOWE HS by Maj or collge Howe by TF Howe not injured he takes Burroughs the distance, if Howe wrestled for another country he would have placed top 3 at Olympics. I honestly believe he was bronze or silver if healthy & was allowed to wrestle just happens #1 in the world is at his weight same country! Sliga future is very bright but until he's got 4 yrs post HS to compare to Howe, this isn't even a discussion Man, I really wish I could give you some cool points! Sliga is a great wrestler no doubt but would never belong on the same mat as HOWE. If he wrestled for another country I would put money on it that he would be top 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionsFan Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Both have had GREAT careers. I dont get to see Sliga much and if I remember right Howe pinned or teched all of his tournament (sect, reg, SS, and state) opponets his senior year. that is impressive . I dont know , has Sliga done that this year? I would not be surprised but i dont know if he has done that so far? He only major decisions Duckworth from Union County in the finals at state. He was 2 points away from a tech fall though...I would give the nod to Howe though seeing as Duckworth beat Sliga too...yes that was a couple of years ago but still something to go by Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 He only major decisions Duckworth from Union County in the finals at state. He was 2 points away from a tech fall though...I would give the nod to Howe though seeing as Duckworth beat Sliga too...yes that was a couple of years ago but still something to go by Senior Duckworth vs. Freshman Sliga is not a good thing to go on, in my opinion. You have to compare wrestlers when they are the same age, to have a fair comparison. Senior Howe vs. Senior Sliga would be a good match. I would expect low scoring, because Howe would be giving up a lot of size. Howe is one of the greatest, but Sliga is in that discussion, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcatcountry97 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 You left off the button for "NO ONE CARES." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionsFan Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Senior Duckworth vs. Freshman Sliga is not a good thing to go on, in my opinion. You have to compare wrestlers when they are the same age, to have a fair comparison. Senior Howe vs. Senior Sliga would be a good match. I would expect low scoring, because Howe would be giving up a lot of size. Howe is one of the greatest, but Sliga is in that discussion, too. Compare both of their high school careers...Sliga, assuming he wins out which I believe he will, has lost 4-5? Matches...Howe's only loss was in the finals match too Reece Humphrey by a point...I'm not saying Sliga isn't tough as nails, but I think Howe would beat him pretty easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Compare both of their high school careers...Sliga, assuming he wins out which I believe he will, has lost 4-5? Matches...Howe's only loss was in the finals match too Reece Humphrey by a point...I'm not saying Sliga isn't tough as nails, but I think Howe would beat him pretty easily I guess I have a difference in opinion, because of the size difference. Sliga taking 3rd as a freshman, at that weight class, in my opinion, is as impressive of any freshman performance that I have seen. He was a 14/15 y/o kid wrestling mostly 17/18 y/o kids. I don't knock him for losing the few matches that he did. Does anyone have any knowledge of Howe defeating opponents as much larger that Sliga is as a senior, when Howe was a senior? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fwrestler Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I'm hoping that the OP was referring to Sliga as a high school senior vs. Howe as a high school senior, or this is a candidate for most ridiculous post of the year. I think a senior Howe would probably beat Sliga by 5 or 6 points, might have even been able to get the major. He was just on a different level at that point in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwiwrestlingfan Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Sliga is a great wrestler but against Howe I `ll pick Howe by fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Howe was a savage already in HS, and could put together a nearly mistake-free six minutes. That's tough to deal with even for a great wrestler like Sliga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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