tangarrray Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Seems kind of strange that the IHSAA would change this in the middle of the season. Its not like them. I checked the winter bulletin and there isn't anything in there about wrestlebacks. I'll believe it when I see an official announcement from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Maybe the logic of determining a more true "team score" based on the individual tournament results (since they removed the team event) is what finally got through to them that wrestlebacks were worth considering. Obviously, the argument of "it's the fairest/best way to ensure the correct individuals made it through" never seemed to work up until this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1oldwrestler Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Of course only merrillville people would bi%ch about wrestlebacks because of their small venue. You guys are truly unbelieveable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangarrray Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I think Merrillville will be the most affected. All the other semi states run 4 mats all the way up to the finals anyway. Merrillville goes to 2 mats after ticket rounds. It will be interesting to see how that semistate works it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headlock83 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Of course only merrillville people would bi%ch about wrestlebacks because of their small venue. You guys are truly unbelieveable. I don't see any posts about Merrillville people bitching about wrestle backs. I think the entire wrestling community is pretty stoked about it. All I see are posts about how they are going to pull it off in a timely manner. Maybe you should read a little more closely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1oldwrestler Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I don't see any posts about Merrillville people bitching about wrestle backs. I think the entire wrestling community is pretty stoked about it. All I see are posts about how they are going to pull it off in a timely manner. Maybe you should read a little more closely. Whining about being at merrillville til one in the morning? Maybe you need to read a little more closely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phscoach Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 so i am confused? is it full wrestlebacks? At regional it would be. Semi-state would be unlikely to be full because a 16 man bracket with full wrestlebacks to 3rd would create a possibility of a 6th match in a day. Unlikely, but my team happens to go to a tournament where we have collected "thirth" place ribbons when this happens. For full-wrestlebacks, a 2nd day would be necessary. Wrestlebacks from the quarterfinal level (ironically the same level in the tournament that became part of seeding criteria this season...) would allow a wrestler in the top 8 to come back for 3rd. 2 ticket rounds in essence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosgrove Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Bring on Merriville Semi state how many placers can we get at state this year ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionsFan Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Will they cross bracket the losers or just drop straight down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headlock83 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Whining about being at merrillville til one in the morning? Maybe you need to read a little more closely. As I said no bitching about about wrestle backs just how Merrilleville is going to do it in a timely manner. So again I think you need to read a bit more closely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1oldwrestler Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 As I said no bitching about about wrestle backs just how Merrilleville is going to do it in a timely manner. So again I think you need to read a bit more closely. What is it exactly that might possibly be causing the mville ss to last til 1 am? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 What is it exactly that might possibly be causing the mville ss to last til 1 am? I also don't understand why there would be a delay compared to other semi-states. It will just be cramped all day instead of only in the first two rounds. At all 4 sites, the only addition time-wise will be a 1-hour, 4-mat wrestleback session between the semi-finals and finals. Round 1: 4 mats, appr. 4 hours Quarterfinals: 4 mats, appr. 2 hours Semi-finals/Wrestlebacks: 4 mats, appr. 2 hours (same time, just 4 mats instead of 2) Wrestleback semi's: 4 mats, appr. 1 hour (ONLY ADDED TIME) Finals: 3 mats (if 5/6 are wrestled) (same time as before, just 3 mats instead of 2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightscoach Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Below is the email my AD got back today from the IHSAA. In the original email my ad asked would there be wrestle backs at the regional and semi state level. He is correct. In order to do team champs at those levels we will need to wrestle to 6th place. Robert E. Faulkens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Wadkins Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 After seeing all of the discussion about wrestlebacks on here today, I called the IHSAA for a clarification. I've looked in both the Winter Bulletin & Tournament Handbook and found nothing that describes the changes being outlined by coaches on here. I just got off the phone with Mr. Faulkens, and he confirmed that there would in fact be wrestlebacks at both levels this season. However, he just sent out an e-mail, to the several coaches serving on the committee to review the State Tournament Series. In that e-mail, he attached the brackets that will be used at both the Regional & Semistate Tournaments. We will have wrestlebacks at both the Regional & Semistate Tournaments this season...BUT...only to determine the 5th Place alternate to the next level. First round losers at Regional will wrestleback to 5th Place, but the Semifinal losers will still wrestle for 3rd Place and both advance to the Semistate. Semistate quarterfinal losers will wrestleback to 5th Place as well, but the four quarterfinal winners are still advancing to the State Finals. These wrestlebacks are being implemented primarily to assure us of sending along a competitive alternate to the next level of the State Tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 it was too good to be true.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchas Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 That is the dumbest thing ever! So the go round is still the go round. What do we call the other rounds. 1)"I have no idea why I am still wrestling rounds." 2) This sucks rounds! 3) All most but not quite rounds. 4) I wish I could go home now rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aoberlin Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Seriously. This pisses me off more than not doing wrestling backs at all. Basically they just said we will do this for true alternate but they still don't have a clue that they should have full wrestle backs so that the best wrestler make it to semi-state and state. Just another way of showing that they don't get our sport or really care about individual athletes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchas Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 That is the dumbest thing ever! So the go round is still the go round. What do we call the other rounds. 1)"I have no idea why I am still wrestling rounds." 2) This sucks rounds! 3) All most but not quite rounds. 4) I wish I could go home now rounds. 5) If someone tells me good job for finishing 5th. I am going to puch them in the face, rounds. 6) At least I don't have to make weight next week, rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aoberlin Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I am really struggling with this one. Tell me it is just a nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galagore Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I feel like a couple days ago I found out the really hot girl in school likes me...and then today I learned it was actually my best friend that she likes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1oldwrestler Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 These wrestlebacks are being implemented primarily to assure us of sending along a competitive alternate to the next level of the State Tournament. You have to be $hitting me! That is absolutely the stupidest thing I have ever heard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 We have no one to blame but us. We couldn't leave well enough alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aoberlin Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 We have no one to blame but us. We couldn't leave well enough alone. Shame on us for wanting to make things better for the kids. This stuff isn't rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Shame on us for wanting to make things better for the kids. This stuff isn't rocket science. 6 hrs ago it was better for the kids. Why did the IHSAA change their minds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aoberlin Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I guess I am not understanding. Did they change their mind or did they feed us enough info to get us excited, and then release the rest to laugh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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