maligned Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Below are the standings after sectionals for qualification for the 2012-13 IHSWCA Duals State Championship event. A few notes: 1. Scoring systems are different from class to class, so don?t freak out that a small school has many more points than a big school. 2. The scores are much, much more dependent on your underclassmen?s success than on your seniors? success. So if you?ve got 7 seniors in your lineup, you may seem lower than you expected. 3. A multiplier is used for 2A/1A to even out the difficulty of sectionals/regionals for sectional/regional points. So you may have more points than another team despite advancing a couple less kids than them to regional. 4. The points for 3A are almost irrelevant at this point in the tournament because all the big points are yet to come. 2A and 1A points right now have some more relevance because they have typically advanced less kids and the later-round points have less effect proportionally. But they will still change very significantly. 5. Remember the top team from each semi-state in each class, plus the next best 2 scores from throughout the state, qualify automatically on points alone. 6. THESE POINTS SHOULD ALL BE CONSIDERED UNOFFICIAL. ABOUT HALF OF THE SCORES HAVE NOT BEEN CONFIRMED AS OFFICIAL. 7. As we said before, this point system would have chosen all the correct top teams for this year's event, had there been one. 3A Standings: Lake C. 171.11 Bloomington S. 166.9 Cathedral 166 Floyd C. 163.57 Noblesville 162 Valpo 159.14 Perry Meridian 159 Portage 158.2 Avon 158.03 Munster 154.95 Franklin 153.71 Connersville 152 Elkhart Memorial 150 Lawrence C. 149 East Noble 148 Harrison WL 147.5 Huntington N. 147 HSE 147 Merrillville 146.1 Crown Point 145.8 Lowell 143.3 Jeffersonville 143.04 Center Grove 140.24 Ben Davis 139 Greenfield 138 E. Central 137 Chesterton 136.21 New Albany 136.11 Carroll 136 Ev. Mater Dei 135.46 Penn 134.91 Fishers 134 FW Snider 134 LaPorte 133.4 Hobart 133.3 TH South 133.24 Warren C. 133 Kokomo 129 Brownsburg 128.32 Jennings Co. 125.36 SB Clay 124.78 Mishawaka 124.1 Roncalli 122 2A Standings: Ev. Memorial 224.14 Heritage Hills 214.03 Danville 198.16 Leo 192 Jimtown 189 Muncie S. 174 Yorktown 172 Delphi 165 N. Montgomery 162 Benton C. 161 FW Concordia 160 Garrett 158 Dwenger 156 New Prairie 156 CMA 154 Luers 153 Lebanon 150 Edgewood 149.8 Boonville 149.12 Peru 145 Wawasee 145 Glenn 143 Princeton 142.12 Indian Creek 141.61 Woodlan 140 Greencastle 139.92 Tippy Valley 135 Delta 133 Jasper 130.9 Sullivan 129.07 Southmont 128 Angola 126 Hanover C. 125 W. Boone 123 Madison 121.98 Twin Lakes 121 S. Vermillion 116 1A Standings: Adams C. 204 Churubusco 199 South Adams 182 South Putnam 178.12 Fremont 171 Winchester 171 Bremen 171 Pr. Heights 160 C. Noble 160 Tecumseh 159.95 Clinton C. 154 Wapahani 153 Cass 153 N. Miami 148 Oak Hill 143 Frankton 140 Milan 139 S. Spencer 137.14 Winamac 136 N. Posey 135.66 Southwood 135 Wes-Del 134 N. White 134 Westview 133 Triton C. 133 Tri-Central 132 Union Co. 131 Culver 129 Shenandoah 125 Wood Memorial 124.79 LaVille 124 Tell City 118.75 Cloverdale 117.83 Scecina 117 Southridge 116.8 Elwood 115 Triton 115 Monrovia 111.95 Seeger 110 West C. 107 Paoli 105.93 Providence 104.31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain24 Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 After taking a look at how things shook out..... I'm thinking that strength of sectional should be a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phscoach Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 After taking a look at how things shook out..... I'm thinking that strength of sectional should be a factor. It is a factor. A big one. For instance, in the Southridge Sectional, I would need my team to score roughly double the amount of points as a team from the Evansville Central Sectional just to be even with them because of the multipliers involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Riesen Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Thanks for all the hard work It looks fairly good. My big question though, where are the Braves of Bellmont ranked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Stenftenagel Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Southridge sectional took a beating on the multiplier. Jasper has 12 wrestlers qualify(11 underclassmen) another underclassman is injured and would also have qualified. Jasper won conference by a big margin over Princeton and Boonville.Washington set a record with dual wins this year and not even mentioned. Jasper lost by 1 point to Heritage Hills last night. HH is second on the list. Jasper is way down the list 84 points behind HH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decbell1 Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Thanks for all the hard work It looks fairly good. My big question though, where are the Braves of Bellmont ranked? Bellmont has almost no chance of qualifying directly...... They will have two guys on the team next year that have ever advanced past sectionals........ These rankings are not set up to reward a team of 10 seniors (but when you think about it, it probably makes sense) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tskin Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I think it works out pretty good. We lost to Heritage Hills by 9 and we are behind you. It is still early in the tourney teams will move up or down based on their regional and semi-state performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 Southridge sectional took a beating on the multiplier. Jasper has 12 wrestlers qualify(11 underclassmen) another underclassman is injured and would also have qualified. Jasper won conference by a big margin over Princeton and Boonville.Washington set a record with dual wins this year and not even mentioned. Jasper lost by 1 point to Heritage Hills last night. HH is second on the list. Jasper is way down the list 84 points behind HH. Let things shake out. You have way more people still wrestling than most teams, so you'll get huge points this week and next that others won't. For a team with many advancers in 1A or 2A from a weak sectional, the scores will look strange at first, but even out. With Bellmont too, they're going to get enormous points in the next few weeks that others don't have a chance at. They'll be in the mix for sure if they get their normal number of semi-state and state qualifiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCBulldog Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Fountain Central was nowhere to be found in the 1A Division. I they were ranked up there in the top 5 most of the season, and are not on the list now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 With Bellmont too, they're going to get enormous points in the next few weeks that others don't have a chance at. They'll be in the mix for sure if they get their normal number of semi-state and state qualifiers. Bellmont may only get 1 underclassmen to semistate. They are very senior heavy, so the replacement multiplier will really impact them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 This is an interesting idea. In Ohio I noticed they invite teams to team state based upon their underclassmen's performance the previous year. This way of analyzing the success of underclassmen seems focused the same way, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 This is an interesting idea. In Ohio I noticed they invite teams to team state based upon their underclassmen's performance the previous year. This way of analyzing the success of underclassmen seems focused the same way, right? Correct.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCK Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Did we ever get a form for underclassmen injury provision? The original document says it was due on 1-31-12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dstruck Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I am working on that, I will have it up tomorrow, and we will re-open that date. Thank you for point that out (the injury form). I'll have it out tomorrow. Danny Struck IHSWCA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 Did we ever get a form for underclassmen injury provision? The original document says it was due on 1-31-12. Yes, sorry, when we wrote that, the plan was to distribute something at sectionals. Now, we'll distribute something at regionals in addition to posting instructions here online. And the due date will be in a couple weeks. Again, sorry for the confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCK Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I just wanted to make sure that I didn't miss anything. Thanks for your hard work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsites Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Southridge sectional took a beating on the multiplier. I think that only matters early on. If a wrestler gets out of regional, strength of sectional doesn't affect that wrestler's score any more. Do I have that right, maligned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachCook Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 How many teams are invited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickS Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I think that only matters early on. If a wrestler gets out of regional, strength of sectional doesn't affect that wrestler's score any more. Do I have that right, maligned? The multiplier is a part of the scoring system up to and thru the first round of semi-state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsites Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 The multiplier is a part of the scoring system up to and thru the first round of semi-state. That's what I get for reading too fast. So, for example, If a class a non-senior wrestler goes out in the first round of the semistate, he gets 28 points times their sectional's multiplier. If he goes out in the 2nd round, he gets all 36 points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickS Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 That's what I get for reading too fast. So, for example, If a class a wrestler goes out in the first round of the semistate, he gets 28 points times their sectional's multiplier. If he goes out in the 2nd round, he gets all 36 points? Correct. The multiplier will be included in all points earned from sectionals thru the 1st round of semi-state. Points earned from the 2nd round of semi-state and beyond will exclude the multiplier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatChick76 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I am confused by how this works. For instance, I see several teams we have beat by large sores ranked way higher than us. So this is all based on Individual stats - really has nothing to do with a true dual format? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 3, 2012 Author Share Posted February 3, 2012 I am confused by how this works. For instance, I see several teams we have beat by large sores ranked way higher than us. So this is all based on Individual stats - really has nothing to do with a true dual format? It's a projection of duals strength next year. It's using each individual's success or lack of success to show who will be the best duals teams next year. And as the notes say--it's very, very irrelevant after the sectional round only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiralride1 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 You can tell the coaches that understand the system AND what kind of strength of schedule / sectional toughness they have vs. those that don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thescrambler Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 When's the next update??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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