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[Smooth34]

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Apparently there is a school in Texas that are the Cathedral Fighting Irish.  Notre Dame has asked them to drop the nickname and logo.  Has this ever been an issue at Indianapolis Cathedral?

[IndianaWrestlingGuy1]

Cathedral actually had the "Fighting Irish" moniker before Notre Dame did. Though dates are disputed, Notre Dame originally was called the Terriers or Ramblers until the 1920's. Cathedral was just slow to do anything with trademarking the brand. It is suspected that Notre Dame bogarted the logo from Cathedral as we both were spawned by the Brothers of Holy Cross at similar times.  People from Cathedral will be quick to tell you the name was conceived by the Brothers on Meridian Street. Once Notre Dame trademarked "Fighting Irish" and more recently the "fighting leprechaun", they made us stop using the leprechaun on all our Cathedral schwag. This wasn't until the late 90's though.

[Smooth34]

Cathedral actually had the "Fighting Irish" moniker before Notre Dame did. Though dates are disputed, Notre Dame originally was called the Terriers or Ramblers until the 1920's. Cathedral was just slow to do anything with trademarking the brand. It is suspected that Notre Dame bogarted the logo from Cathedral as we both were spawned by the Brothers of Holy Cross at similar times.  People from Cathedral will be quick to tell you the name was conceived by the Brothers on Meridian Street. Once Notre Dame trademarked "Fighting Irish" and more recently the "fighting leprechaun", they made us stop using the leprechaun on all our Cathedral schwag. This wasn't until the late 90's though.

 

Wow -- thanks.  Interesting stuff.

[wildcatcountry97]

"Notre Dame's nickname is inherited from Irish immigrant soldiers who fought in the Civil War with the Union's Irish Brigade, (consisting of the 69th NY, 63rd NY, 88th NY, 116th Pennsylvania, and 28th Mass. Infantry Regiments)

 

Notre Dame's claim to the nickname is justified since its third president was a famous Irish Brigade chaplain whose ministrations at Gettysburg are commemorated in the "Absolution Under Fire," part of Notre Dame's permanent art collection.  There are two identical monuments dedicated to him, one is on the battlefield at the Gettysburg National Military Park, and the other is on the campus of Notre Dame"

 

At Notre Dame it became more common after 1899 (much earlier than the "modern era") with Notre Dame leading Northwestern 5-0 at halftime of a game in Evanston, Illinois. The Wildcat fans (Ironic) began to chant, "Kill the Fighting Irish, kill the Fighting Irish," as the second half opened... The rest is history.

 

Common mistake from you folks down there, but Notre Dame used this far before Cathedral.

[rdrodd1]

Isn't it ashamed that we even have to talk about this kind of stuff?  People are worried that a little High School are infringing on their rights (to make money selling shirts) of a moniker like Fighting Irish....A few people are offended because a school or a team uses the a name like the Braves, Warriors, Giants, Pioneers, Greyhounds, Colt's, how about the Spark plugs?  Where does the stupid crap ever end?  Should Danville be held liable for getting new singlets that look like Ohio State's? How about a football team that has helmets that are painted like Michigan's?  I personally think that the Detroit Tigers should be renamed something like the Detroit (kill the people that killed the Tigers that tried to kill them first).

 

Maybe every high school, little league team, boy scout and girl scouts should be called The Brownsburg Young People, The Dairy Queen young people that play little league baseball or softball, the Boy, don't worry about scouting.  What should the Girl Scouts be named?   

 

Sorry but when will this kind of crap stop?????

 

 

[IndianaWrestlingGuy1]

"Notre Dame's nickname is inherited from Irish immigrant soldiers who fought in the Civil War with the Union's Irish Brigade, (consisting of the 69th NY, 63rd NY, 88th NY, 116th Pennsylvania, and 28th Mass. Infantry Regiments)

 

Notre Dame's claim to the nickname is justified since its third president was a famous Irish Brigade chaplain whose ministrations at Gettysburg are commemorated in the "Absolution Under Fire," part of Notre Dame's permanent art collection.  There are two identical monuments dedicated to him, one is on the battlefield at the Gettysburg National Military Park, and the other is on the campus of Notre Dame"

 

At Notre Dame it became more common after 1899 (much earlier than the "modern era") with Notre Dame leading Northwestern 5-0 at halftime of a game in Evanston, Illinois. The Wildcat fans (Ironic) began to chant, "Kill the Fighting Irish, kill the Fighting Irish," as the second half opened... The rest is history.

 

Common mistake from you folks down there, but Notre Dame used this far before Cathedral.

 

Sure, this is the Wikipedia version probably populated by Notre Dame, but those of us that had grandparents and great grandparents that graduated from Cathedral and know the history of the Holy Cross congregation would contend otherwise.

[mtv2112]

Notre Dame gave up the right to use the term "fighting" in their name when the dropped wrestling.

[maligned]

Isn't it ashamed that we even have to talk about this kind of stuff?  People are worried that a little High School are infringing on their rights (to make money selling shirts) of a moniker like Fighting Irish....A few people are offended because a school or a team uses the a name like the Braves, Warriors, Giants, Pioneers, Greyhounds, Colt's, how about the Spark plugs?  Where does the stupid crap ever end?  Should Danville be held liable for getting new singlets that look like Ohio State's? How about a football team that has helmets that are painted like Michigan's?  I personally think that the Detroit Tigers should be renamed something like the Detroit (kill the people that killed the Tigers that tried to kill them first).

 

Maybe every high school, little league team, boy scout and girl scouts should be called The Brownsburg Young People, The Dairy Queen young people that play little league baseball or softball, the Boy, don't worry about scouting.  What should the Girl Scouts be named?   

 

Sorry but when will this kind of crap stop?????

 

 

Institutions just need to get more creative.  Daffodils, rainbows, daydreamers, puffballs, mist, heaven's scent--all still available and not copyrighted.  (Also pink or lavender helmets or singlets with flower petals decorating them have not been used, so why do we have to stoop to resembling a popular university design?)

[Navy215]

Institutions just need to get more creative.  Daffodils, rainbows, daydreamers, puffballs, mist, heaven's scent--all still available and not copyrighted.  (Also pink or lavender helmets or singlets with flower petals decorating them have not been used, so why do we have to stoop to resembling a popular university design?)

 

I think all of those names are copyrighted by WNBA teams.....Hopefully won't have to worry about that much longer anyways haha

[BingoBangoBongo]

Exactly where and how Notre Dame's athletic nickname, "Fighting Irish," came to origination never has been perfectly explained.

 

One story suggests the moniker was born in 1899 with Notre Dame leading Northwestern 5-0 at halftime of a game in Evanston, Ill. The Wildcat fans supposedly began to chant, "Kill the Fighting Irish, kill the Fighting Irish," as the second half opened.

 

Another tale has the nickname originating at halftime of the Notre Dame-Michigan game in 1909. With his team trailing, one Notre Dame player yelled to his teammates - who happened to have names like Dolan, Kelly, Glynn, Duffy and Ryan - "What's the matter with you guys? You're all Irish and you're not fighting worth a lick."

 

Notre Dame came back to win the game and press, after overhearing the remark, reported the game as a victory for the "Fighting Irish."

 

The most generally accepted explanation is that the press coined the nickname as a characterization of Notre Dame athletic teams, their never-say-die fighting spirit and the Irish qualities of grit, determination and tenacity. The term likely began as an abusive expression tauntingly directed toward the athletes from the small, private, Catholic institution. Notre Dame alumnus Francis Wallace popularized it in his New York Daily News columns in the 1920s.

 

The Notre Dame Scholastic, in a 1929 edition, printed its own version of the story:

 

"The term 'Fighting Irish' has been applied to Notre Dame teams for years. It first attached itself years ago when the school, comparatively unknown, sent its athletic teams away to play in another city ...At that time the title 'Fighting Irish' held no glory or prestige ...

 

"The years passed swiftly and the school began to take a place in the sports world ...'Fighting Irish' took on a new meaning. The unknown of a few years past has boldly taken a place among the leaders. The unkind appellation became symbolic of the struggle for supremacy of the field. ...The team, while given in irony, has become our heritage. ...So truly does it represent us that we unwilling to part with it ..."

 

Notre Dame competed under the nickname "Catholics" during the 1800s and became more widely known as the "Ramblers" during the early 1920s in the days of the Four Horsemen.

 

University president Rev. Matthew Walsh, C.S.C., officially adopted "Fighting irish" as the Notre Dame nickname in 1927.

 

 

[runner-up]

From what I understand, Notre Dame and Cathedral have a pretty good history. I believe Cathedral has the most kids accepted to Notre Dame on a pretty regular basis. I had a teacher who told me that it was because they both had a rich history with "The Holy Cross."