xgamehoss Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 I don't think the commentary was directed at the number of matches that NC wrestlers have year in and year out. Rather the cirticism seems to be of the quality of the opponents that they face on an annual basis. I don't think he ever ciritcized anyone's character or life outside of high school wrestling. He simply questioned whether or not the wrestlers that come from NC are as good as their records would suggest. It seems to be a fair criticism based on the numbers that I have seen and I don't think he should be chastized for bringing up this point. "Peck seems to build his schedule to inflate records," is not criticizing his character? You must be about as sharp as a marble. Peck has the best wrestling venue in the state. He uses it to host super-duals, probably because they produce revenue for his school and program (it also places more work and responsibilities on his shoulders) . Also, I'm speculating he does so, in order to provide his kids with as many matches as the IHSAA allows, to give them ample opportunity to improve. I don't know who RG is or what school's wrestlers he supports, but, I wonder if his team's coach is calling NC's AD to get in on those super-duals and have their wrestlers face the likes of those young men whose accomplishments he belittled. I want to offer RG my congratulations on having an administrator "buddy" to replenish his cool points after he makes such idiotic remarks. To the uninitiated and himself, I'm sure that makes him appear cool. : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash513 Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 "Peck seems to build his schedule to inflate records," is not criticizing his character? You must be about as sharp as a marble. Peck has the best wrestling venue in the state. He uses it to host super-duals, probably because they produce revenue for his school and program (it also places more work and responsibilities on his shoulders) . Also, I'm speculating he does so, in order to provide his kids with as many matches as the IHSAA allows, to give them ample opportunity to improve. I don't know who RG is or what school's wrestlers he supports, but, I wonder if his team's coach is calling NC's AD to get in on those super-duals and have their wrestlers face the likes of those young men whose accomplishments he belittled. I want to offer RG my congratulations on having an administrator "buddy" to replenish his cool points after he makes such idiotic remarks. To the uninitiated and himself, I'm sure that makes him appear cool. : That is not, in any way, shape, or form, questioning his character. Is it questioning his coaching decisions and the way he runs his program? Absolutley! Why is it any other coaches responsibility to reach out to NC and get into these tournaments? He should be responsible for putting these together and if they are competitive enough, other coaches will want to reach out and attend. There is a reason that the Al Smith and the Triacoff are so successful. They are such great tournaments with such great competition that they sell themselves. Finally, the "sharp as a marble" quip? C'mon man!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgamehoss Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 That is not, in any way, shape, or form, questioning his character. Is it questioning his coaching decisions and the way he runs his program? Absolutley! Why is it any other coaches responsibility to reach out to NC and get into these tournaments? He should be responsible for putting these together and if they are competitive enough, other coaches will want to reach out and attend. There is a reason that the Al Smith and the Triacoff are so successful. They are such great tournaments with such great competition that they sell themselves. Finally, the "sharp as a marble" quip? C'mon man!!! Considering Peck is atop the win list, it isn't much of a leap to say RG was implying he doesn't deserve that honor, and only has it by using questionable scheduling tactics. That is highly critical of character. I'm sad for you that you can't comprehend that, but at the same time thankful that you proved my point. Most people understand if NC is hosting supers, they would be unavailable to travel those weekends. RG's and other's' comments imply that Peck and his kids "dodge" the highest competition. I think Peck would welcome all comers to those duals. On a win percentage of all matches in the state finals...I'm guessing NC's records would compare favorably to any other program's. To split hairs about not reaching the ultimate pinnacle, is extremely petty. Especially, when you downplay great kids' achievements to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash513 Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Considering Peck is atop the win list, it isn't much of a leap to say RG was implying he doesn't deserve that honor, and only has it by using questionable scheduling tactics. That is highly critical of character. I'm sad for you that you can't comprehend that, but at the same time thankful that you proved my point. RG only commented on individual wrestlers and never said anything about the wins record or it being invalid. I would say that from what he stated to what you are interpreting is a long and unjust stretch. Take off the rose colored glasses and look at the numbers for what they are and you will see that his point is valid. While I am sure coach Peck does a fantastic job, and many have attested to this fact, they are not one of the premier programs in the state and the wins records do seem pretty inflated. Also, with the unwarrented stabs that you are taking at me, you are only making yourself look like an idiot. Argue with facts and reasoning not by trying to put the person on the other end down. Again lessons some of us learned at a very young age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMcMurray Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 RG, you're a jerk for expressing your opinion on a message board! > ;D ;D ;D Love you buddy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin189 Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Coach Peck is not just coaching star wrestlers like Mullins and Campbell. He has many other wrestlers in the room. It is true that it would be better for Mullins and Campbell to wrestle in the big individual tournaments around the state. These tournament does not help the team as much. For example.... New Castle Wrestles in the Lafayette Tourney during the holidays and they get 9 matches. All there wrestlers get 9 matches, not just there studs. This improves all there wrestlers on there team. Say if they wrestle in either the Connersville or the Al Smith tourney, only the best wrestlers will get a lot of matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgamehoss Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 RG only commented on individual wrestlers and never said anything about the wins record or it being invalid. I would say that from what he stated to what you are interpreting is a long and unjust stretch. Take off the rose colored glasses and look at the numbers for what they are and you will see that his point is valid. While I am sure coach Peck does a fantastic job, and many have attested to this fact, they are not one of the premier programs in the state and the wins records do seem pretty inflated. Also, with the unwarrented stabs that you are taking at me, you are only making yourself look like an idiot. Argue with facts and reasoning not by trying to put the person on the other end down. Again lessons some of us learned at a very young age. That's the point, Bash! He commented on the individual young men. He could've said something to the effect of "New Castle has 3 kids on the list but their competition is suspect." That alone would've been tacky (every year at the finals, kids come from all over with stellar records that almost everyone assigns to a lack of top-tier competition; but people with tact have enough RESPECT for the competitors, to not voice those thoughts publicly), but he didn't stop there. He then made the remark about "Peck seems to build his schedule to inflate records." He has eliminated happenstance at that point, and crossed over into pretending to know the Coach's intent. He broke an unwritten law among true sportsmen (some things you have to accept and one shouldn't attack the character of those who have reached the highest levels of the sport). Then he proceeded to list the kids' names as a means to validate his worthless statement. Read the entire thread, facts were never called into question. It's not possible for me to reason with someone on this matter, that just doesn't understand the tact and respect aspect of things. You either get it or you don't, and obviously you don't. This is my last comment on the subject. Step down...next case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash513 Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 That's the point, Bash! He commented on the individual young men. He could've said something to the effect of "New Castle has 3 kids on the list but their competition is suspect." That alone would've been tacky (every year at the finals, kids come from all over with stellar records that almost everyone assigns to a lack of top-tier competition; but people with tact have enough RESPECT for the competitors, to not voice those thoughts publicly), but he didn't stop there. He then made the remark about "Peck seems to build his schedule to inflate records." He has eliminated happenstance at that point, and crossed over into pretending to know the Coach's intent. He broke an unwritten law among true sportsmen (some things you have to accept and one shouldn't attack the character of those who have reached the highest levels of the sport). Then he proceeded to list the kids' names as a means to validate his worthless statement. Read the entire thread, facts were never called into question. It's not possible for me to reason with someone on this matter, that just doesn't understand the tact and respect aspect of things. You either get it or you don't, and obviously you don't. This is my last comment on the subject. Step down...next case. So then should we never question the intent of someones actions for fear of being labeled "tactless" or a "bad sport?" By naming the kids, who are no longer kids mind you, he does validate his point. We are going to have to agree to disagree on the "worth" of the statement. Then you go on to the unwritten rule: "some things you have to accept and one shouldn't attack the character of those who have reached the highest levels of the sport." I have been involved in MANY sports at many different levels and I have never heard, nor can I fathom, this unwritten rule of yours. What do you make of the PED use in many of todays major sports. Should we not question these peoples accomplishments because they have reached the highest level? Many people were questioning Fedor for not fighting the elite talent in the sport, clearly that was unacceptable (sarcasm). Why in the world would we ever sit back and just accept things at face value just because someone of high power puts their name behind it? Seems like pretty sheepish behavior to me, not sportsmanship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash513 Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Coach Peck is not just coaching star wrestlers like Mullins and Campbell. He has many other wrestlers in the room. It is true that it would be better for Mullins and Campbell to wrestle in the big individual tournaments around the state. These tournament does not help the team as much. For example.... New Castle Wrestles in the Lafayette Tourney during the holidays and they get 9 matches. All there wrestlers get 9 matches, not just there studs. This improves all there wrestlers on there team. Say if they wrestle in either the Connersville or the Al Smith tourney, only the best wrestlers will get a lot of matches. This is the same for every team who wrestles any individual tournament. If you want to keep the same number of matches for every athlete on your team, you should only wrestle duels and super duels. There are some very good super duels around the state as well. This will accomplish both goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAnswer Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Jared's six high school losses are as follows: 103- Cody Phillips SS finals Dustin Kief Friday Night 112- Brendan Cambell SS finals, 3rd place match at state Kyle Ayresman Semi-Finals at State 125- Josh kieffer Conference Indiana finals ...quite an impressive loss list. May i also add he has redeemed two of his losses, three wins over kieffer and two wins over dusty kief, not that that matters. Just thought id point it out. McKinley also lost to Paul Beck at the Bellmont Duals and Team State Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgamehoss Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Bash....that unwritten rule I mentioned goes beyond sports as well. It is in place because more harm than good is generally done to that activity, when the rule is ignored. Those that care about the game ( a point I made earlier in the thread) are better served by refraining from such worthless banter. It just makes for bad public perception for everyone involved. It boils down to tact and respect (for the 100th time), that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgamehoss Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 This is the same for every team who wrestles any individual tournament. If you want to keep the same number of matches for every athlete on your team, you should only wrestle duels and super duels. There are some very good super duels around the state as well. This will accomplish both goals. He would then lose the revenue for the school and program. Why do that when you have the fieldhouse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jomar132 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Ok, before I start, YES, I know Coach Peck personally. I do take the comments made in his direction as offensive, but only because of my interpretation. Yes NC wins alot of matches, and yes alot of NC kids have enormous records....... their state titles, or lack of, has nothing to do with peck "inflating" the schedule. Peck and the AD build their schedule in order to develop kids skills on the mat, and in order to get the most out of each kid and improve his potential. Records be damned, NC kids know how to compete. Some years back, I met Peck when I was a College Sophomore, on holiday break. I asked if I could come in and work with his kids over break, as I was a wrestling for my junior college, and needed to stay in shape over the holidays. Peck invited me and my brother in to work out, and we became friendly. Shoot, we learned a few things. After transferring to Ball State, I approached peck about volunteering my time, to come in and work out, and hone my skills as a coach, and to learn a thing or two about a thing or two. Being a Coaching Minor, and having heard about how great NC was from my uncle, i figured this guy must know something. over the next few years, i got to be very close to Peck. I learned that he had not only coached many a kid to a successful season, but that he had even done the unthinkable with some. Kids who became state qualifiers during the most unlikely of times; Peck taught me that it wasnt about how many matches a kid won, or state titles he brought home, but how they applied themselves to be a solid contributor to their society and to be a stand up citizen. Go to New Castle, and ask around. Pecks name isnt one that you hear and people say "oh, yeah, isnt he the wrestling coach?' or "oh yeah, he can get a kid to the finals, bu he cant win it!" No, hes just as recognizable in NC as any other indiana towns head basketball coach, and not because of his stature, "inflated" record, or the Die Nasty. No, hes respected as a member of the community, for having mentored countless young men to better lives. No they may not be state champs, millionaires, or even all college graduates (although Im sure many a NC wrestler has gone on to graduate college at the advice of Peck), but plenty of them are doing quite well- within society. IT managers, Professional MMA Fighters, Coaches, Teachers, Military veterans, and business men. I never wrestled for peck as a HS kid, but I learned more in my short apprenticeship under his tutelage than most will in a lifetime. Last I heard, most coaches arent in the sport to win titles, or to become immortalized, but to make a difference, give back to a sport that gave something to them, and to influence young men and women to become something more than they are or think they are. Peck not only tries to help these kids, he succeeds. Hes been there for births, weddings, military homecomings, (he was at my wedding, and was one of the first non-family members to hold my daughter when she was born, and my first homecoming from Iraq). he is a father to many, grandfather to their kids, and many a parent, even my parents who have probably only spoke to Peck on the occasion they run into each other in town consider him as one of the most influential persons in their kids lives. He serves the community, and many are thankful for the positive influence peck has on New Castle and its residents. I would put a good bottle of Dr Pepper...... ok, Jamesons... that Peck would trade every victory, every record, every state qualifier, just to ensure that his kids have the skills and tools necessary to go out and be productive in life, ready to tackle any task head on, and prepared for success. Love Ya Peck! Hope to see y0u soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Ok, before I start, YES, I know Coach Peck personally. I do take the comments made in his direction as offensive, but only because of my interpretation. Yes NC wins alot of matches, and yes alot of NC kids have enormous records....... their state titles, or lack of, has nothing to do with peck "inflating" the schedule. Peck and the AD build their schedule in order to develop kids skills on the mat, and in order to get the most out of each kid and improve his potential. Records be damned, NC kids know how to compete. Some years back, I met Peck when I was a College Sophomore, on holiday break. I asked if I could come in and work with his kids over break, as I was a wrestling for my junior college, and needed to stay in shape over the holidays. Peck invited me and my brother in to work out, and we became friendly. Shoot, we learned a few things. After transferring to Ball State, I approached peck about volunteering my time, to come in and work out, and hone my skills as a coach, and to learn a thing or two about a thing or two. Being a Coaching Minor, and having heard about how great NC was from my uncle, i figured this guy must know something. over the next few years, i got to be very close to Peck. I learned that he had not only coached many a kid to a successful season, but that he had even done the unthinkable with some. Kids who became state qualifiers during the most unlikely of times; Peck taught me that it wasnt about how many matches a kid won, or state titles he brought home, but how they applied themselves to be a solid contributor to their society and to be a stand up citizen. Go to New Castle, and ask around. Pecks name isnt one that you hear and people say "oh, yeah, isnt he the wrestling coach?' or "oh yeah, he can get a kid to the finals, bu he cant win it!" No, hes just as recognizable in NC as any other indiana towns head basketball coach, and not because of his stature, "inflated" record, or the Die Nasty. No, hes respected as a member of the community, for having mentored countless young men to better lives. No they may not be state champs, millionaires, or even all college graduates (although Im sure many a NC wrestler has gone on to graduate college at the advice of Peck), but plenty of them are doing quite well- within society. IT managers, Professional MMA Fighters, Coaches, Teachers, Military veterans, and business men. I never wrestled for peck as a HS kid, but I learned more in my short apprenticeship under his tutelage than most will in a lifetime. Last I heard, most coaches arent in the sport to win titles, or to become immortalized, but to make a difference, give back to a sport that gave something to them, and to influence young men and women to become something more than they are or think they are. Peck not only tries to help these kids, he succeeds. Hes been there for births, weddings, military homecomings, (he was at my wedding, and was one of the first non-family members to hold my daughter when she was born, and my first homecoming from Iraq). he is a father to many, grandfather to their kids, and many a parent, even my parents who have probably only spoke to Peck on the occasion they run into each other in town consider him as one of the most influential persons in their kids lives. He serves the community, and many are thankful for the positive influence peck has on New Castle and its residents. I would put a good bottle of Dr Pepper...... ok, Jamesons... that Peck would trade every victory, every record, every state qualifier, just to ensure that his kids have the skills and tools necessary to go out and be productive in life, ready to tackle any task head on, and prepared for success. Love Ya Peck! Hope to see y0u soon! I have no doubt that Coach Peck is a good coach and mentor to the kids he has coached. My comments on this in no way meant to take anything away from him or his accomplishments. What I was trying to point out is that if his kids get an extra 15 regular season matches in each year(compared to the schools that I have coached at), that for a really good wrestler should end up with at least an extra 50 victories out of those 60 matches. So it does skew the stats a little. Which is why I would rather see the all-time wins list as an all-time win %, with a minimum # of matches wrestled, maybe 150 to throw out a number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCFIGHTER170 Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 LOL at FEDOR being brought up...he has beat 6 UFC hw champs.I was watching fedor fight back when sanderson was a freshman...while most are relatively new to MMA even and you have watched it for 5 years ur still a noob...idc if u saw the first ufc its way deeper than that...Im a student of the game and to guage a mans career bases the now UFC era is ignorant ...theres a reason for ten years FEDOR WAS KING just like gable and smith every mans PRIME ends...heres u a list of GREAT FIGTERS he beat ... BIG NOG consensus #1 P4p fighter at time and he beat him multiple times...Heath herring in prime Ricardo arona BABALU COLEMAN 2x Randleman CROCOP must i go on mind you he walks around at 219 ....not to mention 2 other former ufc hw champs...former or not those 2 hw were top 10 at the time.....Heaven forbid somebody loses......btw the greatest fighters on the planet argee that Fedor is MJ of mma and i think they have a better clue than thsese rook ass analysts do...until Mke tyson bows and acknowledges you as 1 of the greatest fighters to ever live then guess you wouldn't have the slightest clue about lackluster opposition...and fyi MMA was around way before UFC it was VALE TUDO ....NHB became MMA FCFIGHTER170 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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