OTMF74 Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 What, recruiting(?!?!?!?!), no way not Yorktown, just like there shirts said last year, so ironically, they're ALL "Home Grown" bahahahhahahaha yea, riiiight....if you believe they're really "Home Grown" and all from Yorktown, your either 1.) a Yorktown fan, 2.) completely oblivious to that program, or 3.) you've never met their Assist. Coach......lol ....."Home Grown" bahahaha. ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTMF74 Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 WHat was the score of Yorktown and the team you pull for last year? I wasn't pulling for a team they wrestled last year, whats wrong is wrong. I tell you what though, they'd make an excellent college coach when it comes to making recruiting calls ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 These responses to this situation sound like they are coming from bunch of envious people from programs not as successful as coach McCormicks. Why does it have to be envy? Just because some people disagree with things that have occurred, or have been alledged to have occurred, does not mean they are envious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Why do you think that the coach's association voted Coach Dulaney the Assistant Coach of the Year? That was not voted on by the association, it was voted on by a committee of a few coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Why do you think that the coach's association voted Coach Dulaney the Assistant Coach of the Year? Let me let you in on a little secret. Shhhhh. Sometimes athletes, musicians, good academic students, etc. move to different schools because the coaches, band directors, teachers, etc. are better than the ones at the school that they are currently living in. Now shhh man. I don't want anyone hearing about this. Is that directed at the Frankiln staff??? I am pretty sure they have had a lot of success as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTMF74 Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 " A few coaches" that sounds more legit to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigworm285 Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Cant we all just get along... :'( :'( ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 So AJ what you are saying is that it is OK for people to slander people on a high school wrestling blog and that is OK. Are any of the disagreers from top programs? Are the disagreers private invesitgators? Are the disagreers socialists? Do the disagreers believe in the simple freedom to choose where you want your child to live and go to school? It may be wrong for a kid to go to a school just for the wrestling program. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with it. But people have the right to make their own decisions. There is a difference between disagreement and defamation of character. People are defaming the character of Coach McCormick, Coach Dulaney, the athletic deparments and administrations of Franklin and Yorktown, this boy's parents, and the boy. Now I personally believe that that is pretty strong stuff. If rules have been proven to be broken, then I believe in enforcement even if I disagree. From what we can piece together, it seems as though no rules have been broken. I don't have a dog in this fight. I just think it is wrong to attack the character of these well respeceted (by the votes of their peers) coaches and the rest of the people involved. I mean maybe the dozens of people involved in the kid wrestling at YT are all Snidely Whiplashes and are plotting against the rest of you Dudley Doorights, but I find that unlikely. wow, so if a person has a belief or stance different from yours he is a "Duddly Dooright"..... arent you attacking me and my character? You just wrote how that is wrong, yet you end your post by doing what you spent two paragraphs chastising others for doing. This is a discussion board. The original post brought forth various issues that have been discussed. The recent transfer seems to be the most discussed. Are attacks on character acceptable? It depends... What I mean by that is that if a person believes what the other did is wrong, and shows proof of that misdoing then is character really being attacked or are they simply stating facts. You highlighted where I said "alledged" yet you did not point that our in your post. You just lumped me in with the people you deem as character bashing. If you believe I am and you can show I am, then you are not bashing my character just calling a spade a spade. Should people write lies and make false accusations, NO!!! Should they say something and then leave? NO!! But is it wrong to discuss these things? The discussion allows for truth to come forward and for things to be cleared up. The discusion has already cleared up the the wrestler is a valid transfer, has been cleared the by IHSAA, released by Franklin, and it bona fide able to wrestle Saturday. Many people didnt know this or thought otherwise, but now they know. I have no dog in this fight as it does not impact me in any way shape or form. It actually allows me the priviledged of watching an even better 140 weight class at regional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigginhurts Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 i don't think any rules have been broke but what if PM found 3 good kids from outside their district to move in to apartments in their district just to wrestle and it happened right before sectional? Is everyone seriously fine with that? I have a real problem with that from an ethical standpoint. I think its different if the kid moved in BEFORE the season started and earned his spot but to move in and take a spot one week before sectional is ludicrous to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 AJ I know absolutely nothing about the Franklin staff other than they must not wear sweatpants at wrestling meets because you, Y2, and RG didn't say anything to that effect. I was not involved in the sweatpants discussion. My contribution to that thread centered on the "dipping" that is seen at meets and how i thought that was a bigger problem than the clothes. I also said we all think different clothes and different style of clothes are acceptable, so there will be no consensus on dress. I never badmouthed anyone for sweats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachbum21 Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 I struggle with the IHSAA's role and some people saying nothing wrong or illegal happened. I believe it is clear that students CANNOT move for athletic reasons alone. If the school a student leaves from signs off on it, that makes it legal? If the school decides to fight it, it becomes illegal? I have a hard time with this. How was the Jay County kid's transfer illegal when he moved before the school year? Because Jay County fought it....That makes it illegal? If they had signed off on it, it becomes legal? I would bet that if the Jay County kid moved to Evansville the shcool would not have fought it, but since he moved to a school that was close and would be wrestling against him in the same regional it becomes an issue. In the Franklin case the sutdent moves to a school that is in a different Semi State, which I would guess the school figures it is easier to sign off than to fight it. If he moved to a school in the same sectional you might see a different stance from Franklin. This is where I struggle with what is legal and illegal. The rule is there to create fair competition for all. So how does the school that the student is leaving from get to decide the legality of it? In this case I think Carroll might be the big loser as this questionable transfer could be the difference in them making a team state appearance this year. If a kid and his parents want him to maximize his academic potential... Really? Really? Maximize academic potential for less than 1 semester of his high school career? Come on, you have to come up with a realistic argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOX FAN Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 The real issue here is ethics. Is it right or wrong? Pretty simple .Right? Wrong!! The fact that it is legal goes without question. The upper crust of wrestling thinks it is ok therefore it is ok. Right? Wrong!!! Someone at the top needs to step up or this thing will go on and on and on and on !!!! This thing has been building for at least the last ten years. Everyone has figured out that you can bend the rules to stack your team and because it is a manipulation of the rules it is legal. If Bobby Cox will not do anything then this will continue and eventually ruin this sport. So SAD . "So it goes" on and on and on !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge Bob Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Having an open club in the spring doesn't mean its open recruiting. I have ran an open club for the past five years and never has anyone magically moved to Garrett. I know for a fact that the kids I work with in the offseason would have loved to wrestle for me during the high school season. I would have loved to have a couple of the club kids I coach on our team this year and know three top 5 ranked wrestlers that would have made us an instant team state contender. Joe, Give yourself 1000 wahoos for this affirmation. I wish all coaches followed your code of ethics. Unfortunetly, they do not. You have just outline one of the ways these "winning" coaches get it done. There are a few others I dare not mention for fear of being stoned to death. I am serius about the Wahoos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRESTLING IS LIFE Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 I am laying odds right now that this Wrestler WILL NOT graduate from Yorktown. We are less than 80 days away from graduation he will wrestler for them through the tournament and then transfer back to his BELOVED high school. I as a parent cannot tell you how much respect I have lost for everyone involved. I am talking from the wrestlers parents to the governing bodies. I think that the Yorktown Coach should resign his spot on the IHSWCA. If you hide behind "HE was released by this school.", rule then you are not a man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestler60160 Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 I know this isnt totally covering the issue at hand, but kind of is. This has been going on for years. Like the school close to me that always seems to have a 7' basketball player move in to their district every 4 years. Or the great tailback that transfers in from one to another school around here for another State Title run. Its all about creating that "Super Team". Lets look at this on a financial side. Your football team wins 3 games a year. Your school brings in 800 of your closest family and friends every friday night at $5.00 each. Wow, your school just made $4000. Now you have that" Super Team" and 8000 people are showing up. $40,000 CASH. People dont pay at the gate with a credit card or check. CASH MONEY. I am sure the books are really accurate when you are dealing with CASH. Now your team gets to play on ESPN. WOW! really I get to be on ESPN? More ways to get transfers in. I know a transfer 140 lb is not going to bump Yorktowns revenue, but I guess my point is this happens accross Indiana, with every sport, every year. Who suffers, the honest ones that bust their butt year after year and hope to finish 2nd. Just an opinion................................. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 What have the Yorktown coach's done wrong AJ? What has been proven? Another thing everyone in education knows is that they can't come on here and say one word about a student to defend themselves. Nickster are you still wearing those ROSE COLORED GLASSES??? 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 I can't competet with the intellect of Phaedrus quoters. Do you even know who Phaedrus was??? ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 All these personal attacks are getting ridiculous. Everyone has their own opinion, but there are no facts in this case, just far too much slander. Until any facts come out it seems obnoxious and immature to come on here complaining. Did this happen when Tsirtsis moved to Crown Point? Or Reinohl or Stahl to Mishawaka? Or Wright to Warren Central? As wrestler60160 said, families move all the time, in every sport, band, and academic area. If anything illegal was done then there should be proof brought forward, not conjecture and anger. If nothing wrong was done then why are so many people trying to drag 1 school through the mud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 I don't think it is wrong to discuss but I think "professionals" ought to be very judicious about what they say about other people. I agree.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 All these personal attacks are getting ridiculous. Everyone has their own opinion, but there are no facts in this case, just far too much slander. Until any facts come out it seems obnoxious and immature to come on here complaining. Did this happen when Tsirtsis moved to Crown Point? Or Reinohl or Stahl to Mishawaka? Or Wright to Warren Central? As wrestler60160 said, families move all the time, in every sport, band, and academic area. If anything illegal was done then there should be proof brought forward, not conjecture and anger. If nothing wrong was done then why are so many people trying to drag 1 school through the mud? I think it is clear that it is legal. But is it ethical?? I would not take away a kids spot no matter how legal it was. There is an ethics line here that I personally do not want to cross. I don' t think Mr.W restler60160 thinks it is ok but just that it is happening,has happened and will continue t happen unless people like Brian103 speak up. Correct me if I am wrong Wrestler60160. What do those numbers stand for anyway??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 I think it is clear that it is legal. But is it ethical?? I would not take away a kids spot no matter how legal it was. There is an ethics line here that I personally do not want to cross. I don' t think Mr.W restler60160 thinks it is ok but just that it is happening,has happened and will continue t happen unless people like Brian103 speak up. Correct me if I am wrong Wrestler60160. What do those numbers stand for anyway??? I guess my main question is why was it ethical when Tsirtsis, Stahl, Reinohl, and Wright did it, but not Van Horn? Is it just the timing people take issue with? There was another student from Franklin that moved to Crown Point, correct? Why is nothing being said about him? I'm just confused about why everyone found 1 target to attack, but then I'm one of those Anabaptist pacifists anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestler60160 Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 I think it is clear that it is legal. But is it ethical?? I would not take away a kids spot no matter how legal it was. There is an ethics line here that I personally do not want to cross. I don' t think Mr.W restler60160 thinks it is ok but just that it is happening,has happened and will continue t happen unless people like Brian103 speak up. Correct me if I am wrong Wrestler60160. What do those numbers stand for anyway??? What would $200,000 a year do for your athletic program compared to $20,000. If a school can get you into Our Lady of St. Agony and another school can get you into Ohio State, where does your athelete want to go. Parents are finding ways to get their children transferred to schools that are producing 11 Division 1 football players a year. Because most want to be on the "Big Stage". And Oscar, I dont really think it is right, but it happens and always will. If it isnt suppose to happen, they wouldnt need Rules against it. ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 I guess my main question is why was it ethical when Tsirtsis, Stahl, Reinohl, and Wright did it, but not Van Horn? Is it just the timing people take issue with? There was another student from Franklin that moved to Crown Point, correct? Why is nothing being said about him? I'm just confused about why everyone found 1 target to attack, but then I'm one of those Anabaptist pacifists anyway. Crown Point gets heat from it every year, they aren't immune to it. Mishawaka has had its fair share of heat over the years because of the same thing. Wright to Warren Central didn't get much attention because he wasn't going to a top team in the team state race. As far as the Van Horn situation, it is getting a lot of attention for three big reasons. First off, Van Horn has had to serve a suspension during this wrestling season. Secondly, the transfer occurred midseason and finally he transferred to a school that is in the running to go to team state and filled a spot that wasn't one of their stronger weights. Those three things NEVER happened in the cases you mentioned and I fully believe the first two reasons are the biggest reasons for all the talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 I guess my main question is why was it ethical when Tsirtsis, Stahl, Reinohl, and Wright did it, but not Van Horn? Is it just the timing people take issue with? There was another student from Franklin that moved to Crown Point, correct? Why is nothing being said about him? The ethics of the Tsirtsis, Stahl, and Reinohl cases were all questioned. Wright, I've always assumed was a financial/academic issue. In those 3 cases the move was not to a school 70 miles away with hole in their lineup and the kids were not living in an apartment by themselves. The details of this case make it look ethically much more muddy to the outside observer. Not sure what your talking about with the other franklin student to Crown Point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoGutsNoGlory Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 The ethics of the Tsirtsis, Stahl, and Reinohl cases were all questioned. Wright, I've always assumed was a financial/academic issue. In those 3 cases the move was not to a school 70 miles away with hole in their lineup and the kids were not living in an apartment by themselves. The details of this case make it look ethically much more muddy to the outside observer. Not sure what your talking about with the other franklin student to Crown Point. I think he is reffering to Knura, who transferred to Lowell i believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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