Trinedad Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Just looking through the discussions, and I realized that this board is missing something. We dont have enough topics that touch on class wrestling. I dont have a vote with in the coaches assoc. But it is clear to anyone that reads this board that one topic that they ought to conduct some serious research on is class wrestling. I think that all the candidates for the open position ought to realize that this is a hot button topic and needs some attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I think Coach McCormick does feel that it deserves some attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinedad Posted March 27, 2009 Author Share Posted March 27, 2009 To say that it deserves some attention is an understatement. Looking at this board, it seems that we have close to 10 topics that somewhere along the line deal with class wrestling. And that is just one the 1st page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manvswild1 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 And all believe class wrestling is a bad system. At least all the votes we should talk about it to dismiss the idea for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 The Metcalf freakout just didn't have any legs on this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcarter Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 The Metcalf freakout just didn't have any legs on this site. It just wasn't pushed hard enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleGiant91 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Just for the record, I am for class wrestling. I think it would be great for the growth of our sport. However, just because there are people who think we need it, doesn't mean we should take it to the IHSAA as an association yet. The topic has been polled several times among IHSWCA members and just like on the discussion board, there are vehement supporters on both sides of the issue. As I remember it, the polls have historically been around 50/50, with a slight edge going one way or the other from time to time. (Perhaps it IS time to discuss it / poll it again amongst coaches?). The IHSAA has repeatedly told our representatives that they want to see overwhelming support from the coaches (like 85-90%) for a proposal before they will consider it. So, even if we get 60%, 65%, or even 70% of coaches in favor of class wrestling, the IHSAA will shoot it down because we don't have all of the coaches on board. Furthermore, the IHSAA has set the precedent that they don't want to talk about taking the "individual" sports to classes. Even if 95% of wrestling coaches were in favor of it, the IHSAA would not change JUST wrestling to classes. To them, it's all or nothing, meaning that they would also change track, tennis, swimming, gymnastics, etc. In order to really get the IHSAA's attention, there would probably have to be a coalition of coaches' associations from the "indidvidual" sports show support for classes in their sports and promote the idea together. I'm not saying that this can never be attained, but it's not as simple as just deciding that we as wrestling coaches want class wrestling so it's going to happen. That is why, wrestlebacks, for instance, have been proposed several times (in different forms) by the IHSWCA. Most coaches agree that this would improve our sport and our state tournament. Even WITH overwhelming support of high school coaches, the IHSAA has repeatedly shot us down (why, I don't really know, other than the fact that they don't like change!). Class wrestling may one day come to Indiana, but if and when it does, it will happen in stages: 1) a large majority of coaches in Indiana need to be convinced that there is a need for class wrestling (judging from the discussions that I have read, we are a long way from this right now). 2) once wrestling is solidly in favor of classes, we would need to get to work with other coaches' associations of tennis, golf, swimming, track, etc. and try to convince them to support classes for their sports as well. 3). Finally, if 1 & 2 are achieved, the IHSAA MAY listen to a proposal, but I would still be sceptical of it passing until the powers that be were convinced that it is THEIR idea. I know this may sound like a defeatist attitude, but my point is that it is pretty clear from the historical stance of the IHSAA that proposing class wrestling right now would be something akin to "peeing in the wind" for lack of a better description. Therefore, the IHSWCA has been focusing on changing / improving the system that we DO have to work with. I agree, though, that class wrestling is a hot topic and this discussion board is a great place to debate the virtues / vices of classes and to begin convincing those non - believers that it would be good for our sport. Chris Ervin Crawfordsville High School Head Wrestling Coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Agreed. I think Coach McCormick will also attempt to address other issues within the coaches association as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinedad Posted March 27, 2009 Author Share Posted March 27, 2009 The Metcalf freakout just didn't have any legs on this site. Ok, I stand corrected, 10 topics on class wrestling, and 5 topics on the Metcalf meltdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ahmed Johnson Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Is McCormick the only one running for the position or did he win it already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busstogate Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 What this boards needs is a new chat option. I dare the class and non class supports to talk in real time. I think they are genuinely either scared or unable to find consensus. It will result in trolls trolling trolls, more or less, but that is what it is now anyways. Might as well eliminate the middle man and tell us HOW YOU REALLY FEEL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midget5589 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 we need more oxy moronic screennames like "little giant" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleGiant91 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 midget5589, FYI: LittleGiant91 refers to the fact that I graduated from Wabash College (mascot = Little Giants) in 1991. Yes, the mascot name is oxymoronic, but there actually is a story behind it. I won't bore you with that right now, though. Chris Ervin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 A survey amongst coaches would a great start While there are 10 topics, it's the same 10 people on those ten topics. I actually like to read new information from both sides, but sifting through the same rhetoric is old and causes me to not want to read any of the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manvswild1 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 this is a northeastern indiana board pretty much i don't think mckormick has won yet but you would think we were staring at the next president of the us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regionrat1 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 The Metcalf freakout just didn't have any legs on this site. Ok, I stand corrected, 10 topics on class wrestling, and 5 topics on the Metcalf meltdown. Not a whole lot to talk about these days / Don't look like alot of seniors are going to da senior nationals/ things will pick up around Fargo time. I was gone for a whole week - had some mitty fine weather down in Clearwater Beach. Had oppertunity to go to da original Hooters. Dare wings are a whole lot better lookin down dare dan in Merryville. Had to use SPF 50 on da ole tale after a day. Got a little red down dare !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinedad Posted March 30, 2009 Author Share Posted March 30, 2009 The Metcalf freakout just didn't have any legs on this site. Ok, I stand corrected, 10 topics on class wrestling, and 5 topics on the Metcalf meltdown. Not a whole lot to talk about these days / Don't look like alot of seniors are going to da senior nationals/ things will pick up around Fargo time. I was gone for a whole week - had some mitty fine weather down in Clearwater Beach. Had oppertunity to go to da original Hooters. Dare wings are a whole lot better lookin down dare dan in Merryville. Had to use SPF 50 on da ole tale after a day. Got a little red down dare !!! Well, maybe talking about class wrestling aint so bad after all. I mean if the choice is class wrestling, or the sun burn da rat gets on his behind, I think I willl have to go with class wrestling........ ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midget5589 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 midget5589, FYI: LittleGiant91 refers to the fact that I graduated from Wabash College (mascot = Little Giants) in 1991. Yes, the mascot name is oxymoronic, but there actually is a story behind it. I won't bore you with that right now, though. Chris Ervin didnt mean to be insulting(if u took it that way) but we need someone named jumboshrimp or healthysoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwest Wrestling Fanpage Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 JUST SAY NO to class wresling sorry had to do it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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