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ok what would you rather have?

 

Complete Class wrestling with no wrestle backs at state and I'm sure the IHSAA would take away team state

 

Team Class wrestling individual is still in the same format

 

or Complete wrestle backs so every individual will reach go the fatherest they can and not have to pray for a "good draw"

 

I'm sorry be the IHSAA won't give into wrestling so I'd vote complete wrestle backs.

Do your teammates celebrate placing and winning the NAIA tournament?  Does your school recognize those achievements?  Or do they not even care because they aren't the "true" national champion in college?  

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I definitely don't want to get rid of Team State. Although I've never been a part of the Team State Finals, but have been in many Team Regionals. I think the team aspect of wrestling can play a bigger role in the growth of our sport than what people give it credit for.

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Like they have listened to the wrestleback plans in the past?

How was the proposal for wrestle-backs presented? The IHSAA listens to other sport's proposals and I have a had time believing the IHSAA hates wrestling as much as people want to say. If they did not care about wrestling, they simply would not sanction it.

 

How can you expect the IHSAA to listen to the coaches association when barely 1/3 of the coaches are members?  The coaches association doesn't even represent half of the head coaches in the state.  Its hard to pass a proposal that 1/3 of the coaches in the state are in favor of.

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How was the proposal for wrestle-backs presented?  The IHSAA listens to other sport's proposals and I have a had time believing the IHSAA hates wrestling as much as people want to say.  If they did not care about wrestling, they simply would not sanction it.

 

I was talking to my high school head coach, I think it was 2 years ago.  He was telling me that the IHSAA would consider wrestlebacks (I think at all stages of the Individual tournament, not sure), but they'd take away Team State.  If this was true, you would get an emphatic no from me.

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How is the IHSAA going to listen to a proposal that only 33% of the coaches are behind?  I really don't blame them for quickly throwing out any proposal made by the coaches association when they barely have 1/3 of the high schools represented.  The coaches association is not a true representation of the state's coaches and therefore the IHSAA will throw out the proposals.

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How is the IHSAA going to listen to a proposal that only 33% of the coaches are behind?  I really don't blame them for quickly throwing out any proposal made by the coaches association when they barely have 1/3 of the high schools represented.  The coaches association is not a true representation of the state's coaches and therefore the IHSAA will throw out the proposals.

 

33%... that's better than the state qualifying numbers for small schools.  ;D

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So I guess the question is what does someone propose we do that would actually make a difference in the IHSAA listening to the wrestling world if to some the current coaches assiciation isn't the answer?

 

Encouraging greater participation and communication within the coaches assoc. would be a start.

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So I guess the question is what does someone propose we do that would actually make a difference in the IHSAA listening to the wrestling world if to some the current coaches assiciation isn't the answer?

 

Encourage greater participation and communication within the coaches assoc. would be a start.

 

So that could be done how and/or in what ways compared to the current process? 

 

If that the biggest issue (which may or may not be the case) preventing the IHSAA from taking something we say seriously we need to find ways to work on it instead of complain about it.

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Looking at the past three proposals to the IHSAA, we were one vote from wrestle-backs in 2003. Somehow four years later we were shot down 0-12.

 

 

2007

APPROVE THE WRESTLING COACHES PROPOSALS

The Executive Committee took the following action in response to proposals presented by the Indiana High School

Wrestling Coaches Association during the March meeting:

Add wrestlebacks to the regional and semi-state levels of the current IHSAA State Wrestling Tournament Series.

A motion to approve this proposal was made by John Williams; seconded by Nancy Alspaugh; motion defeated 0-15.

 

2005

APPROVE THE WRESTLING COACHES PROPOSALS

 

The Executive Committee took the following action in response to proposals presented by the Indiana High School Wrestling Coaches Association during the March meeting:

1. The IHSWCA proposes the implementation of full wrestlebacks, from the quarterfinals, during the state tournament series at the Regional and Semi-State levels.

After considerable discussion, a motion to approve the wrestlebacks from the quarterfinals at the wrestling regional and semi-state levels was made by Dennis Bunda; seconded by Phil Hoskins, motion failed 5-12, with Pam Noble, Paul Neidig, Dennis Bunda, Debb Stephens, and Janis Qualizza supporting the motion.

 

2003

WRESTLING COACHES PROPOSALS

The Executive Committee took the following actions in response to proposals presented by the Indiana High School Wrestling Coaches Association during the March meeting:

1. The IHSWCA proposes using wrestlebacks to third place at the IHSAA Regional level of competition. After considerable discussion, John Williams made a motion to approve the proposal; seconded by Dennis Bunda; motion failed 7-7-2.

2. The IHSWCA proposes using wrestlebacks to third place, from quarterfinals, at the IHSAA Semi-State level of competition. A motion to approve this proposal was made by Pam Noble; seconded by John Williams; motion failed 7-7-2.

3. The IHSWCA proposes using wrestlebacks to third place, from quarterfinals, at the IHSAA State level of competition. A motion to approve the proposal was made by John Williams; seconded by Pam Noble; motion failed 4-11-1.

4. The IHSWCA proposes using an open roster for the team members to be weighed in for the Dual Team Competition. A motion to approve the proposal was made by John Williams; seconded by Patrick Mapes; motion failed 0-16.

5. The IHSWCA proposes that the IHSAA allow the IHSWCA to score, announce results, and recognize the top three teams of the IHSAA State Individual Meet as winners of the “Myers/McDaniel Trophies”. A motion to approve the proposal was made by John Williams; seconded by Jim Feist; motion failed 0-16.

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So I guess the question is what does someone propose we do that would actually make a difference in the IHSAA listening to the wrestling world if to some the current coaches assiciation isn't the answer?

 

Encourage greater participation and communication within the coaches assoc. would be a start.

 

So that could be done how and/or in what ways compared to the current process?

 

If that the biggest issue we actually have with the IHSAA listening to something wrestling related then we need to find ways to work on it instead of complain about it.

 

This has been discussed before. I would advocate a system of regions similar to the football coaches assoc.

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So I guess the question is what does someone propose we do that would actually make a difference in the IHSAA listening to the wrestling world if to some the current coaches assiciation isn't the answer?

 

Encourage greater participation and communication within the coaches assoc. would be a start.

 

So that could be done how and/or in what ways compared to the current process? 

 

If that the biggest issue we actually have with the IHSAA listening to something wrestling related then we need to find ways to work on it instead of complain about it.

This has been discussed before.  I would advocate a system of regions similar to the football coaches assoc. 

 

Not sure how football or any other sport does their assiciations, but if it get something moving along with the IHSAA on any wrestling issue I would say its at least worth listening too and considering.

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And the reason given for not passing any of these proposals was the IHSWCA didn't have enough support to make this issues valid enough to pass?  Or was no reason given and that is what the assumption is?

I know people at the IHSWCA have stated in the past that the IHSAA would be more willing to listen if the membership base was more representative of all the schools.  I side with the IHSAA on this, whereas I cannot feel confident in a proposal that only 33% of the coaches support.  Sure more coaches probably support it, but they do not show their support in the proper way.

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Ridiculous.

 

 

All I know is that the football coaches association has close to 100% of the schools as members, monthly regional meetings from Dec. thru the springs, regional officers that represent their areas at state meetings.  Is it a coincidence that the IHSAA listens and generally approves proposals from the IFCA?  The move to a 6th football class will be done the way the majority of coaches want it too because of there organization.  

 

Is it going to be harder do organize wrestling coaches.  I definately think so but I think we should try harder then we are now.

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I know people at the IHSWCA have stated in the past that the IHSAA would be more willing to listen if the membership base was more representative of all the schools.  I side with the IHSAA on this, whereas I cannot feel confident in a proposal that only 33% of the coaches support.   Sure more coaches probably support it, but they do not show their support in the proper way.

 

Not trying to stir the hornets nest again here, but that's what I'll winde up doing probably.  Should the lack of representation of all schools be a telling sign of why we're behind alot of the "hotbed wrestling states?"  If coaches are too lazy to become members of the IHSWCA, what's the chances that these 67% of coaches are doing a banged up job of running their respective programs?  Not saying that this is the end all be all reason, but could be a big factor.

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This is the list as of Jan 24, 2008 of the members of the IHSWCA, you can make a judgment for yourself.

1 JEFF McCULLOUGH ADAMS CENTRAL

2 TONY CURRIE ADAMS CENTRAL

3 DOUG SCHULTZ ADAMS CENTRAL

4 JACK GRIMALDI ALEXANDRIA

5 JULIO CISNEROS ANDREAN

6 BILL NICELY ASSOCIATE

7 ISRAEL BLEVINS AVON

8 ROBERT BROOKS AVON

9 ROY BRUCE BEDFORD NORTH LAWRENCE

10 RODNEY STEARNS BEDFORD NORTH LAWRENCE

11 SCOT DAWSON BEECH GROVE

12 STEVE NONTELL BEECH GROVE

13 PAUL GUNSETT BELLMONT

14 TIM MYERS BELLMONT

15 AARON MOSS BEN DAVIS

16 GENE WHITTEN BEN DAVIS

17 DAVE STEWART BEN DAVIS

18 TED BEARMAN BEN DAVIS

19 B.J. GARTERMAN BENTON CENTRAL

20 ROYCE DECKARD BLOOMINGTON SOUTH

21 MIKE RUNYON BLOOMINGTON SOUTH

22 DANNY IRWIN BLUFFTON

23 MATT BURKHALTER BLUFFTON

24 ANDY COLLINS BOONVILLE

25 DUSTY MARCHAND BOONVILLE

26 KEVIN SCOTT BOONVILLE

27 DUSTIN WILKE BOONVILLE

28 KEVIN STEWART BREBEUF

29 MARK BRUNER BROWN COUNTY

30 JASON CATELLIER BROWNSBURG

31 DEMETRICE BURTON BROWNSBURG

32 SCOTT MEYER BROWNSBURG

33 DANNY ROSEMAN BROWNSBURG

34 JIM SELVIO CARMEL

35 VEARL TURNPAUGH CARROLL

36 SAM RUFF CASCADE

37 JEFF SAYERS CASCADE

38 BOB HARMON CASTLE

39 MICHAEL BROWN CASTLE

40 DAVID REDWEIK CASTON

41 SEAN McGINLEY CATHEDRAL

42 CALE HOOVER CENTER GROVE

43 SCOTT HARDY CENTER GROVE

44 DERRICK THOMAS CENTER GROVE

45 DAN GANDOLF CENTER GROVE

46 CHUCK FLESHMAN CENTRAL NOBLE

47 CHRIS JOLL CHESTERTON

48 ED PENDOSKI CIA

49 ALLEN WEINZAPFEL CIA

50 JASON WARTHAN COLUMBUS NORTH

51 CHRIS ERVIN CRAWFORDSVILLE

52 DAN BEAUCHAMP CRAWFORDSVILLE

53 JOE CREAGER CRAWFORDSVILLE

54 JASON SURBER CRAWFORDSVILLE

55 ROGER TRIBBETT CRAWFORDSVILLE

55.5 CHAD HOLLENBAUGH CULVER

56 MIKE ATWOOD DELPHI

57 CRAIG SHAW DELPHI

58 MARVIN CAMPBELL DELTA

59 JASON DELOIS DOE CREEK MS

60 CHRIS YOUNG DOE CREEK MS

61 SCOTT SCHWARZ EAST CENTRAL

62 KEITH HOFFAR EAST NOBLE

63 CRAIG STANDISH EASTERN (GREENTOWN)

64 CHUCK BOWER ELKHART CENTRAL

65 REX LEAVITT ELWOOD

66 DARREN HAPPE EV. CENTRAL

67 MARK MASTISON EV. HARRISON

68 JEFF SCHAEFER EV. MEMORIAL

69 KENNY ZUBER EV. MEMORIAL

70 LARRY MATTINGLY EV. MEMORIAL

71 MATT HAPPE EV. MEMORIAL

72 SCOTT FERGUSON EV. REITZ

73 WARREN MILLER EV. REITZ

74 BRAD ANSLINGER EV. REITZ

75 CHAD COOK EV. REITZ

76 JAKE HARRELD FISHERS

77 RYAN HAAS FOREST PARK

78 DARIN THOMAS FOREST PARK

79 CHRIS SHOAF FOUNTAIN CENTRAL

80 LUCAS DEEL FOUNTAIN CENTRAL

81 CLARENCE WARTHAN FRANKFORT

82 CHRISTIAN PEREZ FRANKFORT

83 RICHARD SALLEE FRANKFORT

84 GARY FOX FRANKLIN CENTRAL

85 CHARLES HESSMAN FRANKLIN COM

86 MARK STEVENSON FRANKLIN COM

87 JOE HASSEMAN FRANKLIN COM

88 MATT KRULIK FRANKLIN COM

89 BOB HASSEMAN FRANKLIN COM

90 OTIS CRESS FRANKTON

91 RYAN MOHRMAN FW NORTHSIDE

92 DAN JOLEY FW NORTHSIDE

93 JOE CAPRINO GARRETT

94 LUKE FIELDEN GARRETT

95 JOHN BARNETT GIBSON SOUTHERN

96 JIM PICKARD GOSHEN

97 MATT McCOMISH GREENCASTLE

98 JOSH HOLDEN GREENFIELD-CENTRAL

99 ED HAMANT GREENFIELD-CENTRAL

100 PAUL HOLDEN GREENFIELD-CENTRAL

101 ADAM METZGER GREENSBURG

102 JESSE WALLACE GREENSBURG

103 DR. DENNIS GOLDBERG GREENSBURG

104 MARK HOWE GREENWOOD

105 TRAVIS WALLS GRIFFITH

106 RUSS RADTKE GRIFFITH

107 ED FOX HALL OF FAME COORDINATOR

108 GREG GASTINEAU HAMILTON S.E.

109 GREG ROBERTS HAMILTON S.E.

110 KEVIN KUBLI HAMILTON S.E.

111 SCOTT DUNWOODY HAMILTON S.E.

112 NICK PETROV HANOVER CENTRAL

113 SCOTT VAN DER AA HARRISON (LAFAYETTE)

114 BRIAN CAMPBELL HARRISON (LAFAYETTE)

115 MARTY VLAHOS HARRISON (LAFAYETTE)

116 MATT THOMPSON HERITAGE HILLS

117 MIKE KEMP HERITAGE HILLS

118 STEVE BALASH HOBART

119 RENE RODRIGUEZ HOBART

120 TOM SWAFFORD HOBART

121 JOHN CANTU HOBART

122 MIKE ELLIS HOBART

123 RANDY PURSLEY HOMESTEAD

124 PHIL ECKERT HUNTINGTON NORTH

125 KEVIN JOLAS HUNTINGTON NORTH

126 DARNELL BOOKER IN. BLIND SCHOOL

127 DANIEL MIDELL IND. BLIND SCHOOL

128 BILLY ADDISON IND. RANKINGS

129 CHRIS RALEY INDIAN CREEK

130 JOHN DENIEN INDIAN CREEK

131 KEITH GRANT INDIAN CREEK

132 RICK STENFTENAGEL JASPER

133 JAMES MYERS JAY COUNTY

134 DANNY STRUCK JEFFERSONVILLE

135 CHAD OGDEN JEFFERSONVILLE

136 ROBBY RHINEHART JEFFERSONVILLE

137 KACEY CARLTON JEFFERSONVILLE

138 ZACH HARPER JEFFERSONVILLE

139 T. HOWARD JONES JENNINGS COUNTY

140 MARK MATTERN JENNINGS COUNTY

141 TY OLDS JENNINGS COUNTY

142 MICHAEL REITMAN JENNINGS COUNTY

143 DAVID GRIDER JENNINGS COUNTY

144 KEVIN SMITH JENNINGS COUNTY

145 LEONARD COLLETT JENNINGS COUNTY

146 JEFF MORRISON JENNINGS COUNTY

147 MARK KERRN JIMTOWN

148 DAVID GASKILL JIMTOWN

149 BRIAN WINDBIGLER KNOX

150 ROB LEAVITT KOKOMO

151 TOM MILLER LAFAYETTE JEFF

152 TIM PRATT LAFAYETTE JEFF

153 LOUIS KUZDAS LaPORTE

154 MATT GRAHAM LaPORTE

155 BRIAN SCHROLL LaPORTE

156 MIKE BOTTORFF LaVILLE

157 SHAD ROBAKOWSKI LaVILLE

158 EDWARD DOWNS LaVILLE

159 CHAD RED LAWRENCE CENTRAL

160 JAYSON WEST LAWRENCE CENTRAL

161 JEREMY BANE LAWRENCE CENTRAL

162 JARED WILLIAMS LAWRENCE NORTH

163 MIKE WEIMER LAWRENCE NORTH

164 TONY TALLEY LAWRENCE NORTH

165 JEREMY GONDOL LAWRENCE NORTH

166 ERIC DOUGLAS LAWRENCE NORTH

167 BOB WILLHITE LEBANON

168 JOSH DOMMER LEO

169 DENNY KERN LEO

170 BOB FREIJE MACONAQUAH

171 DEREK PAGE MACONAQUAH

172 CURT BULLICK MACONAQUAH

173 JASON STEWART MANUAL

174 LEE LINDEN MARTINSVILLE

175 MARK CREAGER MARTINSVILLE

176 ROY ADAMS MILAN

177 DARRICK SNYDER MISHAWAKA - TM POLL

178 ZACH ERRETT MOORESVILLE

179 JERRY BRAWLEY MOORESVILLE

180 TODD GILPIN MT. VERNON

181 JIM BINKLEY NEW ALBANY

182 ERIC BURRES NEW ALBANY

183 WILL RAGLE NEW CASTLE

184 REX PECKINPAUGH NEW CASTLE - WEBMASTER

185 BARRY HUMBLE NEW HAVEN

186 JAMIE WINGLER NEW PALESTINE

187 STEVE HARDING NEW PALESTINE

188 DAVID WALDROUP NEW PALESTINE

189 STEVE ROSS NEW PALESTINE

190 LOU SILVERMAN NORTH CENTRAL

191 JOSH MOCEK NORTH CENTRAL

192 BOB TIPSWORD NORTH CENTRAL

193 RICHARD BYRER NORTH KNOX

194 J.D. MINCH NORTH MONTGOMERY

195 SAM RIESEN NORTH MONTGOMERY

196 BRETT CLARK NORTH MONTGOMERY

197 SHAWN HASLAM NORTH MONTGOMERY

198 BRUCE CUNNINGHAM NORTH NEWTON

199 ROB DETERS NORTH POSEY

200 SCOTT MILLER NORTHWESTERN

201 ROD LONE NORTHWOOD

202 JOHN HELLER NORWELL

203 STEVE HARP OFFICIAL

204 AARON HANNON PAOLI

205 JIM TONTE PERRY MERIDIAN

206 WES GIBSON PERRY MERIDIAN

207 SHAUN RICHARDSON PERRY MERIDIAN

208 PHIL GLASSER PERRY MERIDIAN

209 DAVE THORNTON PERRY MERIDIAN

210 MATT SCHOETTLE PERRY MERIDIAN

211 ZACH PIERSON PERRY MERIDIAN

212 DAVE WALPOLE PERRY MERIDIAN

213 DENVER ALEXANDER PERRY MERIDIAN

214 DAVE BURKS PERRY MERIDIAN

215 ANDY HOBBS PERU

216 JASON BROWN PERU

217 JASON GODWISE PERU

218 PAUL NICODEMUS PLAINFIELD

219 BOB READ PLYMOUTH

220 JOHN MILLS PLYMOUTH

221 RYAN RUST PLYMOUTH

222 EARL BOYER PLYMOUTH

223 PATRICK WILKINS PORTAGE

224 JIM MAGLIS PRINCETON

225 CLAY LEEK PRINCETON

226 SCOTT WALLIS PRINCETON

227 FRED LAMB RETIRED

228 GREG LAMB RETIRED

229 KEVIN BUCK RICHMOND

230 DAVE DeLONG RICHMOND

231 CLINT GARD ROCHESTER

232 JAMES SAMUELS ROCHESTER

233 DERRICK HOLLOWAY ROCHESTER

234 DERRICK WHITBECK ROCHESTER

235 SHAWN CONDEN ROCHESTER

236 JACK DAY RUSHVILLE

237 JERRY INGALLS RUSHVILLE

238 AL HARTMAN SB CLAY

239 BILL FLATT SB RILEY

240 MIKE SMORIN SB RILEY

241 TYSON SKINNER SCOTTSBURG

242 JOHN HORN SCOTTSBURG

243 WES HALL SHELBYVILLE

244 TOM PACKER SOUTH SPENCER

245 JAMIE WELLIEVER SOUTHMONT

246 KYLE BOOTS SOUTHMONT

247 DAVE DUNCAN SOUTHMONT

248 DARREN PETTY SOUTHPORT

249 CORY SHRUM SOUTHPORT

250 TODD WEAVER SOUTHPORT

251 DAVE SCHANK SOUTHRIDGE

252 TIM BRAZELTON TECUMSEH

253 JOEL GEORGES TECUMSEH

254 JOE LITHERLAND TELL CITY

255 MARK FRISZ TERRE HAUTE NORTH

256 JOHN DELISLE TERRE HAUTE NORTH

257 SCOTT SMITH TIPPECANOE VALLEY

258 CHAD NELSON TIPPECANOE VALLEY

259 BRETT SWIHART TRITON

260 SAM DAVIS TRITON

261 RANDY McPHERON TRITON CENTRAL

262 STEVE BEALMEAR TRI-WEST

263 KEN HOUSTON TWIN LAKES

264 DAN BRIGGS UNION COUNTY

265 MATT COLLINS VINCENNES LINCOLN

266 assistant coach VINCENNES LINCOLN

267 JUSTIN VAIL WABASH

268 JAKE O'NEILL WABASH

269 CARL AMERINE WABASH COLLEGE

270 BRIAN ANDERSON WABASH COLLEGE

271 MATT SCHROEDER WARREN CENTRAL

272 TONY WILLIS WARREN CENTRAL

273 ANDY ST. LAURENT WARREN CENTRAL

274 JONATHAN ANDERSON WARREN CENTRAL

275 DAVID NICHOLAS WARREN CENTRAL

276 MICHAEL CLEVENGER WARREN CENTRAL

277 ZACHARIAH YAZOLZIK WARREN CENTRAL

278 JASON ROTH WES-DEL

279 JAY KEELEY WES-DEL

280 JASON COOK WEST LAFAYETTE

281 ROBBY MORGAN WEST NOBLE

282 JOEL PIPPENGER WESTVIEW

283 DAVE THOMPSON WHITELAND

284 GENE WILLARD WHITELAND

285 MIKE HAND WHITELAND

286 JUSTIN HARMON WHITELAND

287 JOHN SCHILAWSKI WHITELAND

288 WAYNE HARMON WHITELAND

289 STEVE VAN DER AA WINAMAC

290 MAURICE KASTEN WINAMAC

291 BRANDON MOCK WINCHESTER

292 RON ANDERSON WINCHESTER - RET.

293 ANTHONY GIROD WOODLAN

294 DANNY COOPER YORKTOWN

295 TROY DULANEY YORKTOWN

296 TRENT McCORMICK YORKTOWN

297 JOE WILLMANN YORKTOWN

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Last year we had a list of the members and their schools. Could a little survey and questions as to the attitudes done in house answer some of the membership questions. A few area rep meeting might be nice rather than a onetime shot in Indianapolis.

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