tecpatriot Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I don't think Duckworth has plans on going 189 for state. UCdad may have some insight here. I think it is a strategy move for the conference only. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PITBULL Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 Any sleepers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash513 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 As long as Duck weighs in above 162 he can wrestle 189. He does not have to be over 173. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hound133 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Yes, but if he is over 173 he can't wrestle 171 in the state tournament! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash513 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Gotcha. I misread the previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Counting Lights Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Young Mr. Duckworth has met the required criteria to wrestle at 171 for his state run. What he weighs saturday morning has nothing to do with what he might weigh next saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hound133 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I am pretty sure that once you weigh above a certain weight class you cannot drop back down to that weight class. He would still have to weigh in no more than 173 pounds on Saturday to wrestle the 171 pound weight class in the state tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Counting Lights Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Hound, you might be right about that, I don't know for certain. I just know you need 6 official weigh-ins with one being at scratch weight in the particular class for sectionals and so on. I do't mean to make this sound like an arguement. As far as sleepers go, I'll say the 130's will provide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PITBULL Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 If this the lineup way to go Briggs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCdad Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Duck is going 189 for conference at the coaches request.It's kinda like taking one for the team scenario.Mike has had 29 actual matches this season with 28 falls and 1 tech fall 3 of those matches were at 189.Individually the tec title is not that important as a team it is.Also this gives Mike the opportunity to wrestle some better competition maybe before he starts the state tourney.Hound 133 the way Coach Briggs explained it to me was as along as Mike doesn't weigh in more than 175 this week He can still go 171 at sectional next week.Which is exactly what I got from Coach Pecks post/question when he says within 2 and 1/2 pounds of 173 which would be 175 and 1/2 Coach Peck is one of the big wigs in the IHSWCA coaches association and has been involved in Indiana wrestling for several years I would say he knows what he's talking about.Someone who knows what the exact ruling on this please chime in and give us all some clarity. Or maybe Mike goes ahead and weighs in above 175 and wrestles 189 the rest of the year.Boy what a bunch of nutty nutty craziness the TEC seeding meeting has brought upon us. Now I'm going to have to go back and edit my post with my predictions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PITBULL Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 I'll see you guy's in Union City. Anybody want livers and gizzards from Energy Plus? It's a good way to start out a good meet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Peck Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Duck is going 189 for conference at the coaches request.It's kinda like taking one for the team scenario.Mike has had 29 actual matches this season with 28 falls and 1 tech fall 3 of those matches were at 189.Individually the tec title is not that important as a team it is.Also this gives Mike the opportunity to wrestle some better competition maybe before he starts the state tourney.Hound 133 the way Coach Briggs explained it to me was as along as Mike doesn't weigh in more than 175 this week He can still go 171 at sectional next week.Which is exactly what I got from Coach Pecks post/question when he says within 2 and 1/2 pounds of 173 which would be 175 and 1/2 Coach Peck is one of the big wigs in the IHSWCA coaches association and has been involved in Indiana wrestling for several years I would say he knows what he's talking about.Someone who knows what the exact ruling on this please chime in and give us all some clarity. Or maybe Mike goes ahead and weighs in above 175 and wrestles 189 the rest of the year.Boy what a bunch of nutty nutty craziness the TEC seeding meeting has brought upon us. Now I'm going to have to go back and edit my post with my predictions I did not mean to stir up anything. Coach Briggs has Mike's wieght info and I am sure he will have him in the right places at the right times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCdad Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I don't feel as you were stirring the pot at all coach Peck all I want to know is if he weighs anywhere between 162.1 and 175 even at conference this week and wrestles 189 will he be able to wrestle 171 next week at sectionals does this sound correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coacha_teambraves Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 UCDAD- Duck must within the 1.5% he is allowed to lose from the 171 or in this case 173 with the 2lbs. He gets 1.5% per week. So according to his body fat test what ever that 1.5% is from 173, thats the limit he will be able to be at come weigh ins. If not he will be inelegiable for 171 and must go up. Its a dirty deed for a coach to call someone on it, but I assure you IT HAS HAPPENED! There are some posts on it dealing with Mishawaka and a couple others . Be safe about it, have duck make 173 flat and call it a day. That way there is no reason to have to deal with any of the crap that some coach may try to pull with this down the line to help there kid out because they cant beat ducky. Coach Peck was giving the suttle hint to watch where he is at, because it has been challenged and Im sure of course that the great mice on the wheel in his head was turning at a high rate of speed to decide what he needs to do to get his kids in the right positions to do well also. This isnt his first Rodeo...lol He has several big sparkly belt buckles to prove it, all in the shape of Indiana..lol Coach A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Counting Lights Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I glad we got that settled... jeez! Good luck to all the TEC teams on Saturday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMTuc Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Very nice move Coach Briggs I hope it pays off for Union County. I'm thinking that if Duck went 189 the rest of the year. He still has a good shot at a State Championship. The kids a stud!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Peck Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 CoachA.....I am not sure what weight Mike is at affects us much unless he can lose down alot lower than 171. UCDad.....175 should leave him with some room to spare. I am sure Coach Briggs knows the the exact number...he is a pretty good man/coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coacha_teambraves Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Coach Peck, I was just hacking on ya, I know when it comes down to it your one of the best at finding the right spots to move your kids into to be sure you have the best possible chances to be under the lights in Indy. Simply a compliment no harm intended. Coach A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriotpride Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Coaches, I ask anyone anywhere to copy/paste/ refer all of us to the rule that states that a wrestler can only loose 1.5% per week. The ONLY thing we have to go on is some BS decision that Bobby Cox ruled on on a kid from Mishawaka. And because they can not even understand or realize the need for wrestlbacks at the Semi-State level clearly leads me to believe they do not understand wrestling let alone interpret rules of the sport. You may find information in the IHSAA.org website click on wrestling and you will find a 16 page packet describing the weight loss and skin conditions. I am sure all coaches reading this I am boring but this needs to be better understood. After body fat and hydration test have been done and plugged into the national system there is a form given back for each individual wrestler letting coaches/parents/wrestlers know what their alpha weight is. and THEN and ONLY THEN is a 1.5% AVERAGE given for the wrestler to meet their alpha weight. The wrester can not weigh in below their projected weight of the weight loss program for that given week AND have it be a qualifying weigh in for the state series. So as long as he/she makes their six qualifying weigh ins and one scratch weight and one qualifying weigh in in the month of January AND they do not wrestle in MORE than one weight class above there certified weight. they are good to go no matter whatthey weigh the week prior to sectional. I will make three more small points then wait for all the replies telling me how far off base i am. 1. The 16 page packet i reference above actually says and AVERAGE of 1.5% per week not 1.5 % per week. So i am assuming Duck made 171 at the classic and 173 at NEW PAL, 173 at North Central, 173 for Centerville and Winchester that is over a period of 5 weeks. if he weighed in at 180 lbs for the tec that is 7 lbs over 173 7 lbs devided by a 5 week average check me on my math please 7/173 = 4.0462 % / 5 weeks = .8092.% wich is less than your 1.5% average. 2. Lets assume everyone but me is correct on this. i have a 103 lb wrestler who now is allowed a the 2 lb allowance. and his team wins sectional and moves on to team regional where the state gives him an additional pound and he uses that lb he is given and weighs 106.0. do you realize what everyone is saying with the 1.5 % he is not eligible for individual regonal because he would not be alble to loose 1.5% of the 106 wgt. over three days ( 106 X1.5%= 1.56lbs devided by 3 days = .22 per day allowed) so by Saturday the lowest he could be is 105.34. UHHHHHHHHHHHHH anyone see a problem here? 3. and last but not least the wrestler would STILL be able wrestle for all those out there that would like to see certain individuals not be able to participate. the penalty is on the coach and he would not be able to coach at the next event. ok im done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnatchSingle Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Alright, tired of hearing all this crap about weight. I don't think Duck would do it if he couldn't. I'm sure his coaches understand what is going on. LET IT BE. They ain't dumb and neither is Duck. SO drop it. But back to the topic of the kids and the sport. Are there any upsets for a Number 1 seed or Number 2 seed first round? What are other peoples ideas and picks now that the brackets are out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BizzyCoach Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 You Union County Guys are always making smart moves in the lineup. Nice move gentlemen. Also, good luck to all the wrestlers at Conference this weekend,especially UC . It's always a blast and full of competitors. On a final note, after competing in the TEC, and then coaching in other conferences in Indiana and Illinois, I'd like to congratulate the conference on it's continued success in the realm of fan support. The TEC has some of the best fans in the sport bar none. You should feel good about this, as it plays a major factor in keeping kids motivated and involved. On that note, does anyone know the whereabouts of MFD 13? He used to be a mainstay in the old TEC conversations and now he is nowhere to be found. Just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachi123 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Good luck to all TEC teams . Here are my picks for the finals and 3rd and 4th 103 UnCo vs Win, Cv vs. T all seeds finish the same 112 I will take Finley here over James. Julian over Cv 119 T vs. Win(could be a good match) CV 3rd 125 T vs. Hag all seeds finish the same 130 All seeds finish the same 135 Close weight class, maybe best one! I will go with Uphaus, but there are 2 possible sleepers Cv vs. UnCo and Lin vs. T 140 Leeka vs. Shnieder Cv vs. Win 145 gesell over millsaps in another good match, and Tri vs. Lin. No upsets here.............. 152 Becker over Jones and Bane over Luster 160 No upsets 171 Bradburn over fletcher, and Win. or Tri 189 Duck , Rosson, Babcock, Hutchinson 215 Win vs. Cv, and UnCo vs. Tri 285 No upsets UnCo 4 Champs Win. has 4 Champs Tri 3 champs Cv, NE, and UnCi have 1 champ UnCo has 3 2nds Win. has 4 2nds Cv has 4 2nds Winchester 1st, UnCo 2nd Tri 3rd Cville 4th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optimus prime Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Snatch Single, "Wow, either Duckworth is a smart or the coaches. That is one way to ensure that Winchester doesn't win the title again. I thought Union County had a very good chance to begin with, but now it is a lock." WC-1st C-Ville-2nd UCO-3rd Another wrong prediction congrats snatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachi123 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Hey I was way off too...... except Winchester was going to win it. Centerville(11 placers, 3 champs), Hagerstown( 7 placers), and Lincoln(5 placers) really stepped it up. 103 All Phillips WOW! All seeds the same except 4th 112 Great Job to Findley 119 1st seed wins, 2nd seed 4th, 3rd seed 2nd, 4th seed 3rd ??? 125 Leeka(32-0 on the season) Taresh(3 seed) gets beat by Brown(UCi) then beats him for 3rd!! 4th seed DNP 130 1seed 1st, 2 seed 3rd, 3 seed 2nd, and 4th seed DNP Baker of Lincoln had a great day!! 135 Best overall weight class with Keifer leading the way. 1 seed 2nd, 2 seed 1st, 3 seed 3rd, and 4th DNP 140 1 seed 1st, 2 seed DNP, 3 seed 2nd, 4th seed 3rd Leeka was good and so was Enright, Duebel, and Rice 145 Gesell is in the Zone. 1 seed 1st, 2seed 4th, 3 seed 2nd, and 4th seed 3rd 152 Becker rolls. 1-1, 2-4, 3-2, and 4-3 : 160 Richardson wins a big one for Centerville. get more later... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Counting Lights Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 103- Philips (UCo), Phenis (W), Milliron ©, Terriquez (UCi) 112- Findley(UCo), James (W), Julian (H), VanCamp © 119- Terhaar (W), Kearney©, Walters(UCi), Parish (T) 125- Leeka (T), Sartain (H), Taresh©, Brown (UCi) 130- Simmons (W), Baker (L), Ward (UCo), Colvin (H) 135- Uphaus ©, Rogers (UCo), Sells (UCi), Dines (W) 140- Leeka (T), Enright ©, Duebel (L), Rice (NE) 145- Gesell (UCo), Harris (L), Wilkey (T), Millsaps © 152- Becker (NE), Luster (L), Bane (H), Jones (W) 160-Richardson ©, Holcomb (W), Hall (UCo), Ryckman (T) 171- Bradburn (UCi), Bolser (W), Patton (H), Fletcher © 189- Duckworth (UCo), Rosson (W), Babcock ©, Hutchison (UCi) 215- Schaekel ©, Fodrea (W), Mofield (H), Finch (UCo) 275- Chalfant (W), Lumpkin (UCo), Wysong (H), Vought (T) Congratulations to all the placing wrestlers, especially the champs, on a great day of compitition. A special congratulations goes to the Winchester Golden Falcons for claiming their second title in as many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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