maligned Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Below are the final 1A State Duals qualifying scores. Teams 1-10 are all in automatic bid positions right now. Teams 11-15 are in range for being considered for the two vote-in positions. Remember, however, that these class assignments are not official. We will not know official class assignments until the new IHSAA enrollment information is released in early March. Teams near the 1A/2A cut line that are currently classified as 2A and that would have high scores if they are moved to 1A are Southmont (207), Delphi (160), and Southridge (159). A star (*) below means a team's score was adjusted according to the qualifying procedures injury provision. [table]RankClass 1A TeamsTotal 0 1Prairie Heights*241 0 2Oak Hill214 0 3Adams Central209 0 4Monrovia200 0 5Bremen186 0 6Knightstown174 0 7Centerville167 0 8Triton159 0 9Tecumseh157 0 10Eastern Hancock157 0 11Winchester150 0 12Attica149 0 13Churubusco147 0 14Lake Station Edison144 0 15Milan135 0 16Elwood132 0 17Wes-Del131 0 18Covington131 0 19North White129 0 20Fremont128 0 21North Posey127 0 22Southern Wells127 0 23Cass126 0 24Westview122 0 25South Adams117 0 26North Miami116 0 27South Putnam115.5 0 28LaVille111 0 29Eastside111 0 30Fountain Central108 0 31Monroe Central107 0 32Hagerstown104 0 33Tri104 0 34Woodlan102 0 35Triton Central102 0 36Northfield100 0 37South Spencer99 0 38Central Noble99 0 39West Central96 0 40Bluffton95 0 41River Forest95 0 42Shenandoah95 0 43Seeger92 0 44Wood Memorial91 0 45Clinton Prairie91 0 46Union County91 0 47Taylor90 0 48Sheridan90 0 49Eastern (Greentown)84 0 50Union City83 0 51Tell City79 0 52Southwood78 0 53Wabash77 0 54Manchester76 0 55Lapel76 0 56Cascade75 0 57Northeastern74 0 58New Washington72 0 59Daleville72 0 60Forest Park70 0 61Frankton69 0 62Winamac67 0 63Providence67 0 64Indianapolis Cardinal Ritter67 0 65Eastern (Pekin)67 0 66Clinton Central65 0 67North Newton63 0 68Culver Community59 0 69Madison Grant58 0 70North Knox57 0 71North Vermillion57 0 72Crawford County54 0 73Southwestern (Hanover)53 0 74Alexandria53 0 75Rossville48 0 76Indianapolis Howe Academy45 0 77Hebron44 0 78Pioneer44 0 79South Newton43 0 80Turkey Run43 0 81Cambridge City Lincoln42 0 82Indianapolis Manual42 0 83Speedway42 0 84Hammond Bishop Noll41 0 85Indiana School for the Deaf40 0 86Rockville40 0 87Frontier39 0 88North Judson38 0 89Tri-Central38 0 90Indianapolis Scecina35 0 91Faith Christian32 0 92Blue River Valley30 0 93Whiting29 0 94Caston28 0 95Switzerland County27 0 96Cloverdale25 0 97Wapahani23 0 98Indianapolis Broad Ripple23 0 99Indianapolis Crispus Attucks22 0 100Lafayette Central Catholic21 0 101Carroll (Flora)20 0 n/aPaoli11 0 n/aRandolph Southern8 0 n/aIndiana School for the Blind8 0 n/aIndianapolis Shortridge4 0 000 0 [/table] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 23, 2015 Author Share Posted February 23, 2015 Below are the final 2A State Duals qualifying scores. Teams 1-9 plus W. Lafayette are all in either semi-state or wildcard automatic bid positions right now. Jimtown plus teams 12-18 are in range for being considered for the two vote-in positions. Remember, however, that these class assignments are not official. We will not know official class assignments until the new IHSAA enrollment information is released in early March. Teams near the 1A/2A or 2A/3A cut lines that are currently not classified as 2A, but that would have high scores if they are moved to 2A, are New Castle (167), Oak Hill (167), Jay County (141), and Roncalli (141). The latter two scores would be enough to reach the vote-in consideration threshold if nothing else changes from the below standings. A star (*) below means a team's score was adjusted according to the qualifying procedures injury provision. [table]RankClass 2A TeamsTotal 0 1Yorktown220.5 0 2New Palestine206 0 3Bellmont206 0 4Mount Vernon (Posey)201 0 5Delta200.5 0 6Southmont180 0 7Evansville Memorial175 0 8South Dearborn172 0 9Lebanon166 0 10Jimtown*163 0 11West Lafayette157 0 12Leo155.5 0 13North Montgomery152 0 14NorthWood149.5 0 15Columbia City149 0 16Franklin County146 0 17Garrett146 0 18Gibson Southern145 0 19Peru139 0 20Hamilton Heights134 0 21Benton Central133 0 22Fort Wayne Concordia Lutheran124 0 23Beech Grove121 0 24Greensburg118 0 25Griffith117 0 26Delphi116 0 27Rochester116 0 28Edgewood115 0 29Southridge114 0 30Frankfort113 0 31Danville112 0 32West Noble110 0 33Crawfordsville108 0 34Fairfield108 0 35Western108 0 36Kankakee Valley107 0 37South Bend St. Joseph107 0 38Heritage Hills106 0 39New Haven103 0 40Indian Creek103 0 41Northview102 0 42Culver Academies101 0 43Madison98 0 44New Prairie95 0 45Fort Wayne Bishop Dwenger95 0 46Jasper95 0 47Lawrenceburg94 0 48Hanover Central94 0 49Mishawaka Marian92 0 50Whitko90 0 51Lakeland89 0 52Hammond Gavit85 0 53Brown County81 0 54Pike Central81 0 55Rensselaer Central80 0 56Rushville76 0 57Eastbrook74 0 58Calumet73 0 59Twin Lakes73 0 60Princeton71 0 61South Vermillion68 0 62Andrean68 0 63Tri-West Hendricks66 0 64Heritage65 0 65Wawasee63 0 66Charlestown62 0 67Sullivan62 0 68Greencastle61 0 69Tipton57 0 70Glenn57 0 71Blackford57 0 72Northwestern57 0 73Owen Valley57 0 74Angola55 0 75West Vigo54 0 76Batesville52 0 77Vincennes Lincoln52 0 78Scottsburg51 0 79Hammond Clark49 0 80Western Boone47 0 81Tippecanoe Valley47 0 82Fort Wayne Bishop Luers46 0 83Wheeler45 0 84North Putnam45 0 85Mitchell43 0 86Washington39 0 87Salem38 0 88Guerin Catholic37 0 89Boonville37 0 90Norwell35 0 91Corydon Central33 0 92Shelbyville32 0 93Knox32 0 94Maconaquah32 0 95Indianapolis Bishop Chatard30 0 96Hammond27 0 97Indianapolis Washington24 0 98Boone Grove24 0 99Brebeuf Jesuit19 0 100Mississinewa17 0 101Evansville Bosse10 0 n/aIndianapolis Marshall4 0 000 0 000 0 000 0 000 0 [/table] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 23, 2015 Author Share Posted February 23, 2015 Below are the final 3A State Duals qualifying scores. Teams 1-9 plus Carroll are all in either semi-state or wildcard automatic bid positions right now. Teams 10-17 other than Carroll are in range for being considered for the two vote-in positions. Remember that class assignments are not official until the new IHSAA enrollment information is released in early March; however, it is almost certain that none of the mentioned top 17 teams will move down in class. Seemingly the only team that could affect these standings is New Palestine, who could move up from its tentative 2A position with a 3A score of 171 (enough for vote-in consideration). A star (*) below means a team's score was adjusted according to the qualifying procedures injury provision. [table]RankClass 3A TeamsTotal 0 1Warren Central243 0 2Penn*240.5 0 3Portage229 0 4Evansville Mater Dei222.5 0 5Perry Meridian218.5 0 6Brownsburg*208.5 0 7Indianapolis Cathedral202 0 8Jennings County194 0 9Lawrence North185.5 0 10Crown Point181 0 11Avon176 0 12Carroll (Fort Wayne)175 0 13Valparaiso174 0 14Hamilton Southeastern173 0 15Castle*172 0 16Zionsville166 0 17Merrillville162 0 18Carmel157 0 19Elkhart Memorial156.5 0 20Hobart156 0 21South Bend Riley154 0 22Center Grove149 0 23Mishawaka149 0 24Lowell138 0 25New Castle137 0 26Columbus East136 0 27New Albany134 0 28Floyd Central*132 0 29Bloomington North128 0 30Franklin Community126.5 0 31Martinsville125.5 0 32East Noble124 0 33Chesterton124 0 34Kokomo122 0 35Westfield121.5 0 36Franklin Central119.5 0 37Goshen119 0 38Harrison (West Lafayette)118 0 39Lake Central118 0 40Lafayette Jefferson117 0 41Bloomington South116 0 42Roncalli115 0 43Fishers111 0 44Jay County109 0 45Whiteland106 0 46Ben Davis103 0 47Plainfield102 0 48Elkhart Central101 0 49Muncie Central101 0 50Evansville Reitz100 0 51Plymouth98 0 52Mooresville96 0 53Hammond Morton95 0 54South Bend Clay95 0 55Pendleton Heights95 0 56Warsaw94.5 0 57Homestead93 0 58Pike93 0 59Lawrence Central92 0 60Noblesville92 0 61Jeffersonville91 0 62Huntington North91 0 63Marion88 0 64Northridge88 0 65East Central88 0 66North Central88 0 67Evansville Central87 0 68Fort Wayne Snider86 0 69Richmond84 0 70Terre Haute South82 0 71Logansport81 0 72Evansville North78 0 73Southport78 0 74Munster75.5 0 75Fort Wayne North Side73 0 76Greenwood72 0 77Anderson72 0 78Greenfield-Central72 0 79Columbus North70 0 80Decatur Central68 0 81DeKalb66 0 82South Bend Adams65 0 83McCutcheon62 0 84Highland61 0 85LaPorte60 0 86Terre Haute North59 0 87Evansville Harrison58 0 88Michigan City58 0 89Fort Wayne Wayne56 0 90South Bend Washington51 0 91East Chicago Central49 0 92Concord48 0 93Indianapolis Arsenal Tech44 0 94Seymour42 0 95Connersville38 0 96Mount Vernon (Fortville)38 0 97Bedford North Lawrence28 0 98Gary West Side26 0 99Fort Wayne South Side21 0 100Fort Wayne Northrop20 0 101Indianapolis Northwest12 0 000 0 000 0 000 0 000 0 000 0 [/table] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkraus Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Does the committee get to look at dual results before they vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Teams get packets to fill out, then the committee reviews the teams packets. I believe part of the packet is dual wins, or at least there's an area for you to put that in on your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachM Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Has there been any discussion of using a "tradition factor" like the IHSAA uses where teams that win a few years in a row would be forced to move up a class? alcorntr and munges 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 (edited) Does the committee get to look at dual results before they vote? I put together packets with all important team and individual results. The form that coaches get to fill out lets you give specific credentials of jv and incoming 8th grade talent that will impact your 2015-16 team. This info is added to team reports and pored over by the committee during the voting process. Edited February 24, 2015 by maligned nkraus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkraus Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 So, Garrett being in "17th"...will we get a packet? Thanks, Nick Kraus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 So, Garrett being in "17th"...will we get a packet? Thanks, Nick Kraus If you stay within 15 points of the 2nd highest score among teams that do not get automatic bids, then you will get a form to fill out to give to us. Right now, because you are within 15 points of Leo, you are in the needed position. However, if, for example, New Castle would be moved down to 2A when the official enrollment data is released in the next couple weeks, the new 2nd highest non-auto bid team would be Jimtown--leaving you more than 15 points away and therefore out of contention. We will announce all of the official bids and the vote-in candidates as soon as we can finalize classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greco165 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Has there been any discussion of using a "tradition factor" like the IHSAA uses where teams that win a few years in a row would be forced to move up a class? AKA give someone other than Yorktown a chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 Final qualifier and vote-in candidate lists are now published on the thread, "Official final list of qualifiers..." Changes in 1A after enrollment numbers were released: Southmont and Delphi move into 1A and qualify for the event, pushing Tecumseh and Eastern Hancock into the vote-in category and eliminating Milan from all consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 Final qualifier and vote-in candidate lists are now published on the thread, "Official final list of qualifiers..." Changes in 2A after enrollment numbers were released: New Palestine moves up to 3A and Southmont moves down to 1A. Jimtown and Leo become automatic bid recipients and Peru moves into position for vote-in consideration. ontherise219 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 Final qualifier and vote-in candidate lists are now published on the thread, "Official final list of qualifiers..." Changes in 3A after enrollment numbers were released: New Palestine moves up to 3A from 2A and enters the group being considered for a vote-in wildcard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted April 24, 2015 Author Share Posted April 24, 2015 The voting for the final 2 wildcard position in all three classes was held last night. The coaches' selection committee chose the following teams to join the 12-team fields: 3A: Hamilton Southeastern & Avon 2A: North Montgomery & Columbia City 1A: Attica & Churubusco These teams are added to the following list of teams who have already committed to attend: Class 3A Semi-state automatic qualifiers: Warren Central, Penn, Evansville Mater Dei, Carroll Automatic wildcards: Portage, Perry Meridian, Brownsburg, Cathedral, Jennings County, Lawrence North Class 2A Semi-state automatic qualifiers: Yorktown, Mt. Vernon (Posey), South Dearborn, West Lafayette Automatic wildcards: Bellmont, Delta, Evansville Memorial, Lebanon, Jimtown, Leo Class 1A Semi-state automatic qualifiers: Prairie Heights, Southmont, Monrovia, Bremen Automatic wildcards: Oak Hill, Adams Central, Knightstown, Centerville, Delphi, Triton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamGarcia Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 YES ! Avon #youngguns team is coming with reloaded talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
800lbs Gorilla Mama Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Avon went 3-1 last year and finished 5th, beating Carroll, Bloomington South and Franklin. Lost to Penn. with the Freshman coming into the program, Avon will be able to compete with everyone. The out going Senior class will be missed, can't lie about that. 6 four year letter winners are gone. Avon will be young and good for the up coming season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smooth34 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 The voting for the final 2 wildcard position in all three classes was held last night. The coaches' selection committee chose the following teams to join the 12-team fields: 3A: Hamilton Southeastern & Avon 2A: North Montgomery & Columbia City 1A: Attica & Churubusco Attica and Churubusco jump Tecumseh, Eastern Hancock and Winchester in 1A. Columbia City jumps Northwood in 2A. HSE jumps Valpo in 3A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 3 Hoosier Crossroads Conference Schools invited...shows how tough of a conference that is. quinnsDAD and FASTMarine 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
base Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 New Pal doesn't make the cut? I thought they were dropping to 2A, where I think they would be a serious contender to win it all Loki27 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 New Pal doesn't make the cut? I thought they were dropping to 2A, where I think they would be a serious contender to win it all They stayed at 3A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 New Pal doesn't make the cut? I thought they were dropping to 2A, where I think they would be a serious contender to win it all As Y2 said, we had them provisionally in 2A, but when the new IHSAA data came out--which we had announced before the tournament began would be the standard once it was released--they were right at the cut line in 3A. Had they been in 2A, they would have been an easy automatic bid and not part of the voting process. Wade McClurg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 Attica and Churubusco jump Tecumseh, Eastern Hancock and Winchester in 1A. Columbia City jumps Northwood in 2A. HSE jumps Valpo in 3A. Once it comes to the voting, the scores don't matter so much since the qualifying scores for these teams were virtually identical and the coaches can look into so many more details of the entire season and prospective rosters for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smooth34 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Once it comes to the voting, the scores don't matter so much since the qualifying scores for these teams were virtually identical and the coaches can look into so many more details of the entire season and prospective rosters for next season. 10 pts between Churubusco and a team like Tecumseh and Eastern Hancock seems pretty significant and not virtually identical. But I get it, ignoring scores gives coaches the freedom to vote in who they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bog190 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Busco loses almost half of their team to graduation, and another 5 of their returning guys are well below .500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 10 pts between Churubusco and a team like Tecumseh and Eastern Hancock seems pretty significant and not virtually identical. But I get it, ignoring scores gives coaches the freedom to vote in who they want. The point isn't that the scores don't matter at all. The point is that you have to put the qualifying score in perspective with everything else. A 10-point advantage here suggests a team performed in the state series in a way that they would be a 4-point favorite in a dual. That's very, very slim and requires us to look at more information. Tecumseh brings back 9 starters--none who made it past regional. Churubusco brings back 8 starters--1 who made it past regional. Churubusco beat Tecumseh by 30 in the season. Churubusco brings back 16 JV kids (plus 8 freshmen). Tecumseh has only 3 JV kids (plus 7 freshmen). Churubusco had a significantly better genius rating. I wasn't a voter, but for me, with how difficult it is to fill a 1A lineup with varsity-quality kids, the data seems clear between these two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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