Big Ticket Round Matches

[droe32]

idk how big walburn verse early is walburn handled him last time and i beleive pinned him in the first this year. but i feel ROE# 6 VRS #10 loe is a good ticket round match

[iowa wrestler]

152
Bradley vs ntende
one of these state ranked wrestlers are going home

[ontherise219]

152
Bradley vs ntende
one of these state ranked wrestlers are going home

Rough draw both ways

[iowa wrestler]

Rough draw both ways

Very bad draw it wouldnt of happen most likely if ntende wouldnt of got in that scramble and put on his back then double grapevined

[Caleb Spires]

152 Bradley -  Ntende both ranked in top 10

That one is very upsetting... I think if Ntende had drawn any other champion, he'd have made it to state.

[iowa wrestler]

That one is very upsetting... I think if Ntende had drawn any other champion, he'd have made it to state.

Guranteed!!!

[Galagore]

Every time I see Ntende's name, for just a second I think it says Nintendo....

[BigBasher]

Padilla-Forte
Karl-Reagan

forte will completly dominate him again, he teched him 17-1 if im correct already this year

[Gameon5678]

Fuqua- Garcia

Agreed, what a tough draw!!!!!! WOW

[pin4six]

at NC SS
106
boston v witten
mantel v cottey
120
campbell v kenny
lile v sparks
126
boston v gettinger
phillips v oneal
145
corsaro v house
tatom v mcclurg
152
mullins v spencer
mccloskey v slivka
170
willis v mcginley

[ILUV2PIN]

FW SS @ 138 Elkins and Jackson, Granite Jackson being a favorite. But I felt that elkins could have been a down at conseco this year.

I agree. Elkins seemed to be one of my for sure locks for state this year. Sucks that he had to draw Jackson in the ticket round because there is no way in heck that he's gonna beat Jackson.

[iowa wrestler]

113
lovejoy vs frane

[Bruschi]

Mavros/Manspeaker
Fuqua/Garcia
Fuqua/Brown
Reagan/Kral

CP got some to ones but if they can pull them off it give them a lot of momentum and confidence going into the next couple of weeks.  I think Mavros will win

[iowa wrestler]

106
mock and mockenstrum

[Devils27]

Agreed, what a tough draw!!!!!! WOW

Should be worth the price of admission.  Merrillville vs. Crown Point fans in Merrillville.  Love it!

[Cosgrove]

"IF" those guys win remember guys the first match has yet to begin and I do think some of these matches will happen but i can see alot that wont happen because people are overlooking some guys

[Barrq]

Very bad draw it wouldnt of happen most likely if ntende wouldnt of got in that scramble and put on his back then double grapevined

   And whats the excuse for losing to Beebe the first time this year?

[Extra6]

Ryan Bean Crawfordsville vs Riley Newkirk Lawrence Central

[BigBasher]

Mavros/Manspeaker
Fuqua/Garcia
Fuqua/Brown
Reagan/Kral

CP got some to ones but if they can pull them off it give them a lot of momentum and confidence going into the next couple of weeks.  I think Mavros will win

im saying manspeaker, fuqua, brown, and kral

[iowa wrestler]

   And whats the excuse for losing to Beebe the first time this year?

no excuse just i wasnt expecting that to happen but good job to beebe and good luck to him this saturday

[wildcatcountry97]

I don't really think it counts as 'BIG' unless you have two returning SQ's, or two top 10 ranked guys. Saying its a 'BIG' match because two clowns who had weak schedules all year run into each other isn't valid.

[BOG190]

I don't really think it counts as 'BIG' unless you have two returning SQ's, or two top 10 ranked guys. Saying its a 'BIG' match because two clowns who had weak schedules all year run into each other isn't valid.

Dumb

[kevinl]

I don't really think it counts as 'BIG' unless you have two returning SQ's, or two top 10 ranked guys. Saying its a 'BIG' match because two clowns who had weak schedules all year run into each other isn't valid.

Any matches in particular that lead you to make that remark?

I am not sure that clowns is not a bit harsh.  You have to wrestle who you are scheduled.

I see several where ONE of the kids had a good record due to very weak schedule, but not sure that I have seen any where BOTH were unranked and had inflated records.

Example:

113
lovejoy vs frane

Lovejoy has a decent record but come on, Bishop Luers is a non-wrestling school in a non-wrestling conference.  The toughest team in the conference was Snider and they never met in a dual all season. 

When your competition hands you a handful of forfeits and you are wrestling the likes of Concordia four times, South Side six times (the kid that wrestled 113 all season did not even make it to Sectionals,) North Side twice, Wayne, and Northrop and you throw in wrestling "power houses" like Wabash, Park Tudor, John Glenn, Broad Ripple, Whitko, Heritage, and Oak Hill who were all very weak at 113 this season from what I have seen, it is pretty easy to inflate a record. 

Heck he could not even win the New Haven sectional.

Six losses sure but I bet he only saw four or five decent wrestlers all year and none in the category of Frane, Phillips, Glogouski, Moser, or Flickinger to name a few.

It could be a good match but I do not see how it could be considered a 'BIG' match.   Heck it looks like Lovejoy has a senior from Bellmont to worry about first, not sure but I do not think that the Knight's have a good record against the Braves.

Frane's competition will be in the semi-final against Phillips.  If not for the luck of the draw that could have been the SS Final match.

[TPL1992]

Quote by kevinl

Example:
Lovejoy has a decent record but come on, Bishop Luers is a non-wrestling school in a non-wrestling conference.  The toughest team in the conference was Snider and they never met in a dual all season. 

When your competition hands you a handful of forfeits and you are wrestling the likes of Concordia four times, South Side six times (the kid that wrestled 113 all season did not even make it to Sectionals,) North Side twice, Wayne, and Northrop and you throw in wrestling "power houses" like Wabash, Park Tudor, John Glenn, Broad Ripple, Whitko, Heritage, and Oak Hill who were all very weak at 113 this season from what I have seen, it is pretty easy to inflate a record. 

Heck he could not even win the New Haven sectional.

Six losses sure but I bet he only saw four or five decent wrestlers all year and none in the category of Frane, Phillips, Glogouski, Moser, or Flickinger to name a few.

It could be a good match but I do not see how it could be considered a 'BIG' match.   Heck it looks like Lovejoy has a senior from Bellmont to worry about first, not sure but I do not think that the Knight's have a good record against the Braves.

Frane's competition will be in the semi-final against Phillips.  If not for the luck of the draw that could have been the SS Final match.
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Well although lovejoy didnt win his sectional he avenged it by beating the solid southside senior in the regional championship match and didnt look to bad.  Now he prolly isnt at the level of the senior frane but i expect to see him do well later in his career especially if he turns out like his brother, who regardless of his "weak schedule" had pretty good state finishes taking i believe third his senior year... maybe fifth, cant recall but still he was a solid wrestler!

[kevinl]

Well although lovejoy didnt win his sectional he avenged it by beating the solid southside senior in the regional championship match and didnt look to bad.  Now he prolly isnt at the level of the senior frane but i expect to see him do well later in his career especially if he turns out like his brother, who regardless of his "weak schedule" had pretty good state finishes taking i believe third his senior year... maybe fifth, cant recall but still he was a solid wrestler!

I agree.  The point was that WildCatCountry97 was saying that his opinion of a 'BIG' ticket round match was one that included two returning SQ's or top ten ranked kids.  And while I do not agree that kids who win with a weak schedule are clowns I do agree that they may not worthy be of being a 'BIG' ticket round match unless they have some big matches to back it up and looking at the schools he wrestled, Lovejoy does not seem have those matches.  That was why I grabbed that match as an example (it was the first one that I noticed when going back up the forum.)

And you said it and I agree that the southside kid is not in the same category as the top five ranked kids in the State like Frane and Phillips.  I am sure that neither of them would have to avenge anything coming out of the New Haven sectional.  I do not think that Lovejoy saw anyone close to a ranked wrestler all season.

I was not dissing Lovejoy at all, he MAY BE worthy of being a 'BIG' name in the ticket round later in his career, but this post was about big matches this year, THIS Saturday! 

And as I mentioned there is a big bad Bellmont senior standing in Lovejoy's way of even seeing Frane.  Lovejoy may not even make it to the ticket round.  I would think that a weaker record from a Bellmont senior (although it is hard to call a 25-16 record weak given their schedule) would be a bigger match than against a good record from a freshman from Bishop Luers.

Frane has seen and beaten much better wrestlers already this year.  I would be surprised if it was a close match.  If anyone is going to beat him in that half of the bracket you would have to think that it will be Phillips, but they are ranked #3 and #4 in the State for a reason.  THAT will be a battle.  Who ever comes in best prepared will win that in a close one.

As for the older Lovejoy, I believe you are correct that he finished top five in there somewhere, but I remember seeing him representing the Bishop Luers club nearly every weekend in the off season when I was at Fort Wayne area tournaments with my boys.  Actually I do not recall seeing any Bishop Luers wrestlers at any off season tournaments since the older kid graduated.

I have an old ISWA book from 2007 that lists the older boy as a State Champ in Freestyle and placing in folk and Greco.  I looked on line at the ISWA, track wrestling, and  Boarder Wars and do not see anything on the younger Lovejoy at all in the last two years.  It does not look like he has wrestled at all in the off season, at least not at the State level. 

And if I remember the older boy also wrestled for the schoolboy national dual team when he was in 8th grade and continued to wrestle State and Nationally through his career. I am sure that more than made up for the weak in season schedule.

But the point comes back to what are we using for criteria for a 'BIG' ticket match?  I still agree with WildCat's assessment but maybe there is room for a few that had big wins that can back up their record.