Author Topic: Weight Class Change Petition (Read 5614 times)

WC182Dad · « **Reply #25 on:** August 10, 2011, 04:16:19 AM »

I believe if Chico would of wrestled college he would of AA he was a athlete for sure not just an over weight kid!!

CoachW33 · « **Reply #26 on:** August 10, 2011, 05:25:28 AM »

Quote from: bbulldog152 on August 09, 2011, 08:02:37 PM

when was the last time Indiana had a wrestler that wrestled above 171 (powell and Wissel only got up to 171 in high school) AA in college compaired to those that have wrestled 135/140? I think Wagner from Snider might have been the last one but I could be wrong. I know Hernandez, Angel, and Alex all wrestled at 135 and AA in college while Howe wrestled 140 one year. Any others? Feel free to add D2 and D3 if you want. I know Walpole is added to 140 there... Yes I understand what's done is done I just agree with the guy wanting the petition.

Going along with what you're saying we should just do away with 103-119 and 189-hwt. Clearly, the only kids Indiana can get to AA are between 125 -171.

bbulldog152 · « **Reply #27 on:** August 10, 2011, 07:22:12 AM »

Quote from: CoachW33 on August 10, 2011, 05:25:28 AM

Going along with what you're saying we should just do away with 103-119 and 189-hwt. Clearly, the only kids Indiana can get to AA are between 125 -171.

However Angel, Alex, Cash, and Humphry all AA and wrestled and won state ate either 112 or 119 which is a good argument to win state. And I'm not saying get rid for those weight classes. We should have fought to keept 2 weight classes that we're normally competitive at seperated instead of letting them split a weight that has been competitive but yet to produce and AA. I'm not saying Indiana can't get AA's in those upper weights I'm just saying it sucks that they're combinding two weight class we've had success left.

Quote from: WC182Dad on August 10, 2011, 04:11:52 AM

I believe Sliga will AA in college, from 160 to 200 are tough strong kids I love to watch much more than 103. Maybe they should of just added one weight instead of taking one away as well. Im just a huge wrestling fan and watching Jones wrestle was great for the sport . I believe he got wrestle of tour. in everyone they had just about. I believe Willis could AA in college as well at 74

we've never had a 200 pound weight class. so I assume you ment 160-189. Which I agree. I just think 189 should have been left alone. I personally think most the good 189s are going 182 anyways which will hurt the 195 pound weight class. So yeah I agree 189 was a good weight clas but I just son't think it shouldn't have been split up. now if they were to get rid of 215 and keep 135/140 seperated then I would be all for 182/195.

Quote from: WC182Dad on August 10, 2011, 04:16:19 AM

I believe if Chico would of wrestled college he would of AA he was a athlete for sure not just an over weight kid!!

But he didn't and that's the point. I know Indiana has had some great bigger guys that I loved to watch but Indiana just don't get those guys to either wrestle in college or meet there full potential. Indiana is trying to have more college success yet two of the weights that we've produced AAs from are combinding while a weight I can't remember when we had our last AA is breacking up. I dodn't think anyonement all heavy's are over weight. It's just if a coach don't have a heavy he's going to find the biggest kid he can find whether they have exprience or not.

chambers · « **Reply #28 on:** August 10, 2011, 08:45:43 AM »

It could be that many of the good upper weight wrestlers in Indiana go on to collage to play football instead of wrestle. If that is their choice I am fine with that.

bbulldog152 · « **Reply #29 on:** August 10, 2011, 12:00:45 PM »

Quote from: chambers on August 10, 2011, 08:45:43 AM

It could be that many of the good upper weight wrestlers in Indiana go on to collage to play football instead of wrestle. If that is their choice I am fine with that.

I am too and that is a lot of cases and that's why they should give more chance to the wrestlers that are in the 125-171 weight area and not take out a weight class. The wrestlers in those weight classes are more likley to wrestle in college then the ones at 189+. and not I don't mean this towards the 171-189 weight area. yes I know there's talent at 189 and understand the want for a 182 weight class. We don't need 4 weight classes above 180 though considering a lot of them will morethan likelt choose football over wrestling.

Y2CJ41 · « **Reply #30 on:** August 10, 2011, 12:10:27 PM »

Quote from: bbulldog152 on August 10, 2011, 12:00:45 PM

I am too and that is a lot of cases and that's why they should give more chance to the wrestlers that are in the 125-171 weight area and not take out a weight class. The wrestlers in those weight classes are more likley to wrestle in college then the ones at 189+. and not I don't mean this towards the 171-189 weight area. yes I know there's talent at 189 and understand the want for a 182 weight class. We don't need 4 weight classes above 180 though considering a lot of them will morethan likelt choose football over wrestling.

I don't understand the concept of catering the weight classes to those who are "more likely" to wrestle in college. It seems we are going down a slippery slope of only wanting to cater to the elite wrestlers and forgetting that this sport is supposed to be all enclusive for EVERYONE.

bbulldog152 · « **Reply #31 on:** August 10, 2011, 12:21:38 PM »

Any of them could wrestle in college maybe not D1 but any of them could go D2 D3 and NAIA. What I saying is more than likley a 135/140 is going to want to continue their wrestling career before a 215 who could just wrestle heavy while they're in high school and get what they want out of wrestling. Pluss normally from my expierence there's more wrestlers ine the 130-145 weight area than 189-285

WC182Dad · « **Reply #32 on:** August 10, 2011, 02:16:09 PM »

Make them kids battle from 112 thru 160 are almost every 5 to 8 pounds you get to the AKA bigger its from 11 to 18 or even higher. I like the change to get more bigger guys out that might of wrestled Jv for example The year Shrewsbury won Krahl could have placed at one of the oposing weights same goes with JRobison at 71 Cooper about the same that year if their was a 82 he would of had a varsity spot and done great. I believe Bemont could have had a similar situation. I agree they shouldnt have taken any away maybe just add the one they did. You still will have great compition in all weight classes.

WC182Dad · « **Reply #33 on:** August 10, 2011, 02:18:35 PM »

Sorry Belmont

bbulldog152 · « **Reply #34 on:** August 10, 2011, 03:19:01 PM »

That same year PM had a state placer at 130,135,140 state qualifire at 145 and 152 and Kirk Johnson at 125 So lets ad 182 to give a freshman varsity time and eliminate 1 of 2 state placers

bbulldog152 · « **Reply #35 on:** August 10, 2011, 03:26:09 PM »

cooper might have been a soph that year but you're using a bigger school as an example a team that normally have two good wrestlers in a weight classes who can get just as good with JV time.

PMWC2009 · « **Reply #36 on:** August 10, 2011, 06:45:02 PM »

Quote from: 1oldwrestler on August 08, 2011, 05:04:42 PM

And just like that, the self imposed exile of C/D/W ends. Approximately 75 hours after telling a hopeful message board that he was done posting for the rest of the season, the poster now known as WC182Dad jumped in on this thread. Welcome back old chum.

This adds to the discussion how? Please enlighten us. I know you read my previous posts. WC is at least adding to the topic.

Boot · « **Reply #37 on:** August 11, 2011, 08:57:54 AM »

Quote from: bbulldog152 on August 09, 2011, 08:02:37 PM

when was the last time Indiana had a wrestler that wrestled above 171 (powell and Wissel only got up to 171 in high school) AA in college compaired to those that have wrestled 135/140? I think Wagner from Snider might have been the last one but I could be wrong. I know Hernandez, Angel, and Alex all wrestled at 135 and AA in college while Howe wrestled 140 one year. Any others? Feel free to add D2 and D3 if you want. I know Walpole is added to 140 there... Yes I understand what's done is done I just agree with the guy wanting the petition.

Jamie Salazar at Manchester 2001-2003.

1oldwrestler · « **Reply #38 on:** August 11, 2011, 01:21:38 PM »

Quote from: PMWC2009 on August 10, 2011, 06:45:02 PM

This adds to the discussion how? Please enlighten us. I know you read my previous posts. WC is at least adding to the topic.

Are you another of WC's aliases? Good Lord, lighten up. It's meant as a joke.

WC182Dad · « **Reply #39 on:** August 11, 2011, 03:00:21 PM »

No PMWC is aPerry father not Warren But a great friend who gets it. You are always on some negative crap any discussion you see my name you have to say something stupid you must have a man crush. I am and have always been a supporter of many wrestlers in all different clubs. I have a big heart for these kids and I feel like the ones Ive been around are like my own so please lets have a great year. I

bbulldog152 · « **Reply #40 on:** August 11, 2011, 06:15:31 PM »

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Make them kids battle from 112 thru 160 are almost every 5 to 8 pounds you get to the AKA bigger its from 11 to 18 or even higher.

The weight gap works that way cause for one there's more wrestlers in the short weight gabs and two it's alot easier for most of the bigger kids to cut weight. Most teams do battle it out in 125-171.

I gathered thes number from the 2011 team state teams

Roncalli 103-171: 22 wrestlers on the roster 189-285: 6 wrestlers
PM: 103-171: 22 189-285: 5
Penn: 103-171:23 189-285:5
Bellmont: 103-171:24 189-285:8
EMD: 103-171:23 189-285: 5
CP: 103-171: 22 189-285:6
Delphi: 103-171: 17 189-285: 6
LN: 103-171: 21 189-285: 6

This is a perfect example why the weight classes were the way they were. I undter stand some teams may be loaded down in certain classes but for the most part most wrestlers on a team are in the first 68 pound gap compair to the last 114 pounds. I also understand thes are the top 8 teams so most teams probably have smaller numbers and are probably closer to delphi's numbers. For the record I'm not saying there shouldn't be a 182 pound class I'm saying there shouldn't be 4 weight classes above 171.

Loki27 · « **Reply #41 on:** August 11, 2011, 07:46:22 PM »

Quote from: bbulldog152 on August 11, 2011, 06:15:31 PM

The weight gap works that way cause for one there's more wrestlers in the short weight gabs and two it's alot easier for most of the bigger kids to cut weight. Most teams do battle it out in 125-171.

I gathered thes number from the 2011 team state teams

Roncalli 103-171: 22 wrestlers on the roster 189-285: 6 wrestlers
PM: 103-171: 22 189-285: 5
Penn: 103-171:23 189-285:5
Bellmont: 103-171:24 189-285:8
EMD: 103-171:23 189-285: 5
CP: 103-171: 22 189-285:6
Delphi: 103-171: 17 189-285: 6
LN: 103-171: 21 189-285: 6

This is a perfect example why the weight classes were the way they were. I undter stand some teams may be loaded down in certain classes but for the most part most wrestlers on a team are in the first 68 pound gap compair to the last 114 pounds. I also understand thes are the top 8 teams so most teams probably have smaller numbers and are probably closer to delphi's numbers. For the record I'm not saying there shouldn't be a 182 pound class I'm saying there shouldn't be 4 weight classes above 171.

Thats about 2 per weight class. I'm not sure I follow what your saying. Pct. wise it seems to be the same.

chambers · « **Reply #42 on:** August 11, 2011, 09:03:23 PM »

For the state tournament you can only have 28 total at each level of the tournament. Those teams may have more wrestlers on their teams but due to the limit of 28 they only listed 28 wrestlers.

bbulldog152 · « **Reply #43 on:** August 11, 2011, 09:54:52 PM »

Quote from: chambers on August 11, 2011, 09:03:23 PM

For the state tournament you can only have 28 total at each level of the tournament. Those teams may have more wrestlers on their teams but due to the limit of 28 they only listed 28 wrestlers.

I didn't know that but the point I was trying to prove is that theres a lot more kids in the first 11 weight classes then the last three. Though Bellmont had 32 listed on their roster.

Quote from: Loki27 on August 11, 2011, 07:46:22 PM

Thats about 2 per weight class. I'm not sure I follow what your saying. Pct. wise it seems to be the same.

yes but the point ist that the first 11 weight classes were only seperated by 68 pounds and the last 3 are seperated buy about 100. I didn't relize that they were limited to only 28 so that was a bad example. I'm just saying if you took a poll I bet you would see that MOST teams probably had more wrestlers in 130-145 than 180+ which were the weight areas affected the most in the weight change. Lets say each weight class had 2 wrestlers in the old weight classes making it 8 wrestlers in 130-145 and 6 180+ thats 8 wrestlers for 4 weight classes in 15 pounds while 180+ has 6 wrestlers in 3 weight classes in a 100+ spread. not those teams are left with 8 wrestlers in 3 weight classes in a 15 pound spread and 6 in 4 weight classes in 100+ pound spread. I understand this doesn't make sence. I'm just agreeing with the Petition that started the thread and I don't like the fact that there's now 4 weight class 180+. I feel this is a better argument than "This Freshman would have been varsity" or "This freshman/soph would have had a better chance winning state" or "now my son can wrestle 182" sorry about that last one. Yea I agree 182 will be a good weight class but they could have easily kept it at 189 since most of the 182s will probably start off at 190-192. But maybe I'll grow to like the knew weight classes just in time fore them to change them again.

tenaciuos1 · « **Reply #44 on:** August 12, 2011, 01:41:08 AM »

Quote from: Y2CJ41 on August 08, 2011, 03:56:57 PM

Wow, Pennsylvania only had 51 heavyweights last year?

This is the best, after that big ol'post for petition, this is what you gleaned! Makes me laugh, thanks for that. If a wrestler is worried about a couple of pounds this way or that...maybe he or she should evaluate why they are on a wrestling team. Lets do hypothetical, does anyone want to say "I would have been state champion if they hadn't moved the weight class up by three pounds." Three whole pounds? Shut up and wrestle is my advice to anyone, it might turn out to your advantage.

WC182Dad · « **Reply #45 on:** August 13, 2011, 08:45:15 AM »

I am pretty sure there are quite a few 103 and 12lbers that like the change as well.

bbulldog152 · « **Reply #46 on:** August 13, 2011, 02:16:46 PM »

112 only went up a pound but the kids under 110 will bennefit from this which I agreed with 103 moving up to 105-106

WC182Dad · « **Reply #47 on:** August 14, 2011, 07:12:00 AM »

I agree Micic is a tough kid, I just didnt like the negative remarks giving about Miracle she has been working as hard as anyone in the state. As for Tommy he is a very slick winner who is always working hard That kid was born to be a champ been watching him for probably 10 years he will have a great career.

bbulldog152 · « **Reply #48 on:** August 15, 2011, 12:17:25 PM »

Quote from: WC182Dad on August 14, 2011, 07:12:00 AM

I agree Micic is a tough kid, I just didnt like the negative remarks giving about Miracle she has been working as hard as anyone in the state. As for Tommy he is a very slick winner who is always working hard That kid was born to be a champ been watching him for probably 10 years he will have a great career.

You might have put this in the wrong thread I think you ment this for the prediction thread.

petro330 · « **Reply #49 on:** August 17, 2011, 08:00:01 PM »

Well a couple of you guys get it eliminating a middle weight where most of the wrestlers are at in HS and adding a upper weight makes no common sense. Why take away a weight class from a kid and a varsity HS spot when he has probably been working at the sport since 1st or 2nd grade and adding one up top where the least amount of wrestlers are at. So far to date I have over 800 supporters from 25 plus states to change back and even a few wrestling coaches and fans from Indiana have supported the petition, in just over three weeks. And by the way the coaches in every district in Pa voted the new weight classes down but the PIAA caved because they didn't want to lose there seat on the NFHS board. Do what's right for the sport and the majority of the wrestlers in it hit the link below to support changing back.

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Author Topic: Weight Class Change Petition (Read 5614 times)