IHSWCA 2012-13 Duals State Finals Qualification--standings after sectionals

[maligned]

Below are the standings after sectionals for qualification for the 2012-13 IHSWCA Duals State Championship event.  
A few notes:
1.   Scoring systems are different from class to class, so don’t freak out that a small school has many more points than a big school.
2.   The scores are much, much more dependent on your underclassmen’s success than on your seniors’ success.  So if you’ve got 7 seniors in your lineup, you may seem lower than you expected.
3.   A multiplier is used for 2A/1A to even out the difficulty of sectionals/regionals for sectional/regional points.  So you may have more points than another team despite advancing a couple less kids than them to regional.
4.   The points for 3A are almost irrelevant at this point in the tournament because all the big points are yet to come.  2A and 1A points right now have some more relevance because they have typically advanced less kids and the later-round points have less effect proportionally.  But they will still change very significantly.  
5.   Remember the top team from each semi-state in each class, plus the next best 2 scores from throughout the state, qualify automatically on points alone.  
6.   THESE POINTS SHOULD ALL BE CONSIDERED UNOFFICIAL.  ABOUT HALF OF THE SCORES HAVE NOT BEEN CONFIRMED AS OFFICIAL.
7. As we said before, this point system would have chosen all the correct top teams for this year's event, had there been one.

3A Standings:
Lake C. 171.11
Bloomington S. 166.9
Cathedral 166
Floyd C. 163.57
Noblesville 162
Valpo 159.14
Perry Meridian 159
Portage 158.2
Avon 158.03
Munster 154.95
Franklin 153.71
Connersville 152
Elkhart Memorial 150
Lawrence C. 149
East Noble 148
Harrison WL 147.5
Huntington N. 147
HSE 147
Merrillville 146.1
Crown Point 145.8
Lowell 143.3
Jeffersonville 143.04
Center Grove 140.24
Ben Davis 139
Greenfield 138
E. Central 137
Chesterton 136.21
New Albany   136.11
Carroll 136
Ev. Mater Dei 135.46
Penn 134.91
Fishers 134
FW Snider 134
LaPorte 133.4
Hobart 133.3
TH South 133.24
Warren C. 133
Kokomo 129
Brownsburg 128.32
Jennings Co. 125.36
SB Clay 124.78
Mishawaka 124.1
Roncalli 122

2A Standings:
Ev. Memorial 224.14
Heritage Hills 214.03
Danville 198.16
Leo 192
Jimtown 189
Muncie S. 174
Yorktown 172
Delphi 165
N. Montgomery 162
Benton C. 161
FW Concordia 160
Garrett 158
Dwenger 156
New Prairie 156
CMA 154
Luers 153
Lebanon 150
Edgewood 149.8
Boonville 149.12
Peru 145
Wawasee 145
Glenn 143
Princeton 142.12
Indian Creek 141.61
Woodlan 140
Greencastle 139.92
Tippy Valley 135
Delta 133
Jasper 130.9
Sullivan 129.07
Southmont 128
Angola 126
Hanover C. 125
W. Boone 123
Madison 121.98
Twin Lakes 121
S. Vermillion 116

1A Standings:
Adams C. 204
Churubusco 199
South Adams 182
South Putnam 178.12
Fremont 171
Winchester 171
Bremen 171
Pr. Heights 160
C. Noble 160
Tecumseh 159.95
Clinton C. 154
Wapahani 153
Cass 153
N. Miami 148
Oak Hill 143
Frankton 140
Milan 139
S. Spencer 137.14
Winamac 136
N. Posey 135.66
Southwood 135
Wes-Del 134
N. White 134
Westview 133
Triton C. 133
Tri-Central 132
Union Co. 131
Culver 129
Shenandoah 125
Wood Memorial 124.79
LaVille 124
Tell City 118.75
Cloverdale 117.83
Scecina 117
Southridge 116.8
Elwood 115
Triton 115
Monrovia 111.95
Seeger 110
West C. 107
Paoli 105.93
Providence 104.31

[nitetrain24]

After taking a look at how things shook out..... I'm thinking that strength of sectional should be a factor.

[phscoach]

After taking a look at how things shook out..... I'm thinking that strength of sectional should be a factor.

It is a factor.  A big one.  For instance, in the Southridge Sectional, I would need my team to score roughly double the amount of points as a team from the Evansville Central Sectional just to be even with them because of the multipliers involved.

[Jake Riesen]

Thanks for all the hard work It looks fairly good.  My big question though, where are the Braves of Bellmont ranked?

[Rick Stenftenagel]

Southridge sectional took a beating on the multiplier.
Jasper has 12 wrestlers qualify(11 underclassmen) another underclassman is injured and would also have qualified.
Jasper won conference by a big margin over Princeton and Boonville.Washington set a record with dual wins this year and not even mentioned.
Jasper lost by 1 point to Heritage Hills last night. HH is second on the list.
 Jasper  is way down the list 84 points behind HH.

[decbell1]

Thanks for all the hard work It looks fairly good.  My big question though, where are the Braves of Bellmont ranked?

Bellmont has almost no chance of qualifying directly......

They will have two guys on the team next year that have ever advanced past sectionals........

These rankings are not set up to reward a team of 10 seniors (but when you think about it, it probably makes sense)

[tskin]

I think it works out pretty good.  We lost to Heritage Hills by 9 and we are behind you.  It is still early in the tourney teams will move up or down based on their regional and semi-state performance.

[maligned]

Southridge sectional took a beating on the multiplier.
Jasper has 12 wrestlers qualify(11 underclassmen) another underclassman is injured and would also have qualified.
Jasper won conference by a big margin over Princeton and Boonville.Washington set a record with dual wins this year and not even mentioned.
Jasper lost by 1 point to Heritage Hills last night. HH is second on the list.
 Jasper  is way down the list 84 points behind HH.

Let things shake out.  You have way more people still wrestling than most teams, so you'll get huge points this week and next that others won't.  For a team with many advancers in 1A or 2A from a weak sectional, the scores will look strange at first, but even out. 

With Bellmont too, they're going to get enormous points in the next few weeks that others don't have a chance at.  They'll be in the mix for sure if they get their normal number of semi-state and state qualifiers.

[FCBulldog]

Fountain Central was nowhere to be found in the 1A Division.  I they were ranked up there in the top 5 most of the season, and are not on the list now.

[AJ]

With Bellmont too, they're going to get enormous points in the next few weeks that others don't have a chance at.  They'll be in the mix for sure if they get their normal number of semi-state and state qualifiers.

Bellmont may only get 1 underclassmen to semistate.  They are very senior heavy, so the replacement multiplier will really impact them.

[Boot]

This is an interesting idea. In Ohio I noticed they invite teams to team state based upon their underclassmen's performance the previous year. This way of analyzing the success of underclassmen seems focused the same way, right?

[AJ]

This is an interesting idea. In Ohio I noticed they invite teams to team state based upon their underclassmen's performance the previous year. This way of analyzing the success of underclassmen seems focused the same way, right?

Correct....

[LCK]

Did we ever get a form for underclassmen injury provision?  The original document says it was due on 1-31-12.

[dstruck]

I am working on that, I will have it up tomorrow, and we will re-open that date.

Thank you for point that out (the injury form).

I'll have it out tomorrow.

Danny Struck
IHSWCA

[maligned]

Did we ever get a form for underclassmen injury provision?  The original document says it was due on 1-31-12.

Yes, sorry, when we wrote  that, the plan was to distribute something at sectionals.  Now, we'll distribute something at regionals in addition to posting instructions here online.  And the due date will be in a couple weeks.  Again, sorry for the confusion.

[LCK]

I just wanted to make sure that I didn't miss anything.  Thanks for your hard work!

[jsites]

Southridge sectional took a beating on the multiplier.

I think that only matters early on.  If a wrestler gets out of regional, strength of sectional doesn't affect that wrestler's score any more.  Do I have that right, maligned?

[CoachCook]

How many teams are invited?

[NickS]

I think that only matters early on.  If a wrestler gets out of regional, strength of sectional doesn't affect that wrestler's score any more.  Do I have that right, maligned?

The multiplier is a part of the scoring system up to and thru the first round of semi-state.

[jsites]

The multiplier is a part of the scoring system up to and thru the first round of semi-state.

That's what I get for reading too fast.   So, for example, If a class a non-senior wrestler goes out in the first round of the semistate, he gets 28 points times their sectional's multiplier.  If he goes out in the 2nd round, he gets all 36 points?

[NickS]

That's what I get for reading too fast.   So, for example, If a class a wrestler goes out in the first round of the semistate, he gets 28 points times their sectional's multiplier.  If he goes out in the 2nd round, he gets all 36 points?

Correct. The multiplier will be included in all points earned from sectionals thru the 1st round of semi-state. Points earned from the 2nd round of semi-state and beyond will exclude the multiplier.

[MatChick76]

I am confused by how this works. For instance, I see several teams we have beat by large sores ranked way higher than us. So this is all based on Individual stats - really has nothing to do with a true dual format?

[maligned]

I am confused by how this works. For instance, I see several teams we have beat by large sores ranked way higher than us. So this is all based on Individual stats - really has nothing to do with a true dual format?

It's a projection of duals strength next year.  It's using each individual's success or lack of success to show who will be the best duals teams next year.  And as the notes say--it's very, very irrelevant after the sectional round only.

[spiralride1]

You can tell the coaches that understand the system AND what kind of strength of schedule / sectional toughness they have vs. those that don't.

[thescrambler]

When's the next update???