mauneja Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Can anyone explain why the ISWA is requiring a background check and U.S.A. membership card along with the copper card this year? It seems they are looking for new avenues to make money off coaches and parents who are already spending money on hotels that weekend and now get this thrown in their lap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthmatt Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 As for the background check, the ISWA wants the people coaching the wrestlers are not people who would harm them. IHSAA officials are required to go through a background check every year when they renew their licenses. As for the USA membership & copper card, someone in the ISWA can answer that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauneja Posted February 16, 2017 Author Share Posted February 16, 2017 I understand that but as a school coach I have already went through a background check and am now forced to pay for another when we were just at IHSWCA last weekend and they require none of the above but still run a smooth tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthmatt Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Mauneja, I would let the ISWA know you went through a background check and see what they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauneja Posted February 16, 2017 Author Share Posted February 16, 2017 I actually contacted the ISWA via email and received no response. That is why I posted the question on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Shark Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) I agree 100% with the ISWA on this. It will help in the long run with increasing the kids safety as well as the general awareness of current wrestling rules and best practices with the helper coaches and crazy dads on the floor. It always amazes me how firmly some coaches (that last wrestled 30 years ago) believe that a move is still fine that is now illegal or potentially dangerous. Just for example the "Figure Four on a limb or around the body " compared to "Scissors on a limb or around the body" ... the rules have changed a couple times. It is completely changed depending when you last competed. Kids today might even be surprised to know that we used to be able to run arm bar and wrist and finish with a figure four around the head as tight as needed. Edited February 16, 2017 by Mat Shark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrecoCoach Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Can anyone explain why the ISWA is requiring a background check and U.S.A. membership card along with the copper card this year? It seems they are looking for new avenues to make money off coaches and parents who are already spending money on hotels that weekend and now get this thrown in their lap. The ISWA is not the one to blame for this. USAWrestling requires a background check in order to get a membership card, and has for several years now. As worthmatt stated, it is purely a safety issue for the kids. The background check should be good for 2 years. The ISWA does not receive any money from the background checks. Galagore, base and busstogate 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMILL Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 The ISWA is not the one to blame for this. USAWrestling requires a background check in order to get a membership card, and has for several years now. As worthmatt stated, it is purely a safety issue for the kids. The background check should be good for 2 years. The ISWA does not receive any money from the background checks. . This is 100% accurate. If you think about it beyond the safety of the athletes and security issues, the ISWA will actually make less money this year due to the people obtaining the USA coaches card, copper card and background now not having to pay admission to get into state events. Everyone always wants to take a minute to think the mean nasty ISWA is always doing something to make things harder or worse for their personal situation or the kids to benefit the ISWA but maybe just maybe this is not always the case and its really for protection & benefit of the kids. Please obtain the coaches card, background check and do the copper certification so that you will not be kept out of the corner of your wrestlers......ISWA thanks you all in advance. Justin Ratliff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Boles Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I have a copper card from a few years back! Will I also have to do the Copper Certification as well with the background check or just the background check? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogoplata89 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I have a copper card from a few years back! Will I also have to do the Copper Certification as well with the background check or just the background check? If you have your copper card already, then you just need a USAW Coaches membership and background check. Coach Boles and grappleapple 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Peck Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I understand that but as a school coach I have already went through a background check and am now forced to pay for another when we were just at IHSWCA last weekend and they require none of the above but still run a smooth tournament. We did not require a background check last weekend because most (if not all) of the people coaching individual wrestlers were either parents (do they need a background check to coach their own kid??) or Middle School coaches who have been background checked by their school's prior to employment. In terms of ISWA State events I would assume to pool of coaches might not be as vetted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMILL Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I have a copper card from a few years back! Will I also have to do the Copper Certification as well with the background check or just the background check? . gogoplata89 is correct however............you will need to make sure the copper card is associated with the USA coaches card you are obtaining. If you need help in doing this you can always call the ISWA office (317-780-1885) and the ladies there can help direct you on making this happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 They should have done this years ago. However, I'm sure there will still be coaches that sneak beyond the ropes to coach their kids. Russian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Stop the presses.....Y2 and JMill agree on something...... grecoref and JMILL 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMILL Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 They should have done this years ago. However, I'm sure there will still be coaches that sneak beyond the ropes to coach their kids. . looks like my new profile picture has softened you up to actually agree with me on a topic...........we may become good friends some day ???? TripleB, regionrumbler and UncleJimmy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontherise219 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 A miracle of state week throw45, TripleB, OldGoatGrappler and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I'm drugged up on cold medicine right now, so that is probably the reason. TripleB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Boles Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 . gogoplata89 is correct however............you will need to make sure the copper card is associated with the USA coaches card you are obtaining. If you need help in doing this you can always call the ISWA office (317-780-1885) and the ladies there can help direct you on making this happen. Thanks for your help! I will get in touch with them soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takemtothemat Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Wait they outlawed the triangle choke??????? Just kidding!! I for one appreciate the back ground checks and any and all precautions to protect the youth, There are predators everywhere. Let's be honest not all background check companies are as thorough as they should be. The certifications copper or bronze is a great idea as well. My years around wrestling "and there has been a lot" I've witness some unbelievable action from Dad coaches as well as other high school coaches. You scratch your head and think wow. At least everyone is being exposed to some training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 they must not be thorough background checks if I pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Wait they outlawed the triangle choke??????? Just kidding!! I for one appreciate the back ground checks and any and all precautions to protect the youth, There are predators everywhere. Let's be honest not all background check companies are as thorough as they should be. The certifications copper or bronze is a great idea as well. My years around wrestling "and there has been a lot" I've witness some unbelievable action from Dad coaches as well as other high school coaches. You scratch your head and think wow. At least everyone is being exposed to some training. The copper class is a joke, just say you won't beat kids, use a taser, or tell them they worthless scum and you pass. The bronze class can be good if you have a good group of classmates and a good instructor. Russian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takemtothemat Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 they must not be thorough background checks if I pass Haha Thanks for supporting my point. The copper class is a joke, just say you won't beat kids, use a taser, or tell them they worthless scum and you pass. The bronze class can be good if you have a good group of classmates and a good instructor. I can't attest either way in regards to the copper class. But, anything that can be done to help our sport i'm for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMILL Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 they must not be thorough background checks if I pass . We are trying to protect the kids...........there won't be a cat around at state so there won't be any issues with your "hang-ups" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbuck Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 We did not require a background check last weekend because most (if not all) of the people coaching individual wrestlers were either parents (do they need a background check to coach their own kid??) or Middle School coaches who have been background checked by their school's prior to employment. In terms of ISWA State events I would assume to pool of coaches might not be as vetted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwoodjc89 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Is this going to be like the first year of the 2 tournament freestyle qualifier? People get mad then let them coach anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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