takemtothemat Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 How many sectionals are possiblly being "realigned"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 No one knows, it's all rumors right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tskin Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) Nothing is official until the IHSAA anounces what they voted on. Our Sectional was asked about our feelings on certain scenerios because the AD was on the board and he told us the vote has not happened yet. For those that don't know this process happens every 4 years or so in every sport. Sometimes no changes happen sometimes they do. Edited January 31, 2017 by tskin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takemtothemat Posted January 31, 2017 Author Share Posted January 31, 2017 Thanks for the replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadeDuPont Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 If it were up to me I would scrap the sectional all together, go immediately to 16 in some case 17 team regionals, with wrestle backs. Use the extra "Saturday" that would be available to push the IHSAA to bring back team state. Russian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 If it were up to me I would scrap the sectional all together, go immediately to 16 in some case 17 team regionals, with wrestle backs. Use the extra "Saturday" that would be available to push the IHSAA to bring back team state. If it were up to me I'd be better at math. With 310 teams each "regional" in your scenario would have an average of 19 teams. On top of that you couldn't have full wrestle backs in one day with that big of a bracket. throw45 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tskin Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Anyone with a feasible 3 week state series I am all ears. Email it to me with details. tysongskinner@gmail.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julio Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 You could do the Sectionals like they do with Basketball and Swimming. Start on Wednesday with a couple of rounds and finish on Saturday with the finals. You could eliminate half of the kids and forfeits on the first day, and the other half are the only ones that have to weight in twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 You could do the Sectionals like they do with Basketball and Swimming. Start on Wednesday with a couple of rounds and finish on Saturday with the finals. You could eliminate half of the kids and forfeits on the first day, and the other half are the only ones that have to weight in twice. Having a two day tournament for sectional is the ONLY way that it would work with full wrestle-backs. Russian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 If it were up to me I'd be better at math. With 310 teams each "regional" in your scenario would have an average of 19 teams. On top of that you couldn't have full wrestle backs in one day with that big of a bracket. They would have to have a two day sectional to do that. Would the IHSAA ever consider having a two day event for sectionals? Maybe start in the afternoon around 2PM and the kids would miss a 1/2 day of school. I know Indiana is funny about missing school for sports. But it could be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julio Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 You could use a 24 man bracket, where the top 8 seeds get a bye and blind draw for the other 16 spots on the bracket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegionRoyalty Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) 32 sectionals (same size as current)- Take only the top 2. Wrestle for True 2nd if 3rd placer hasn't faced the Runner-up. This gets you down to 64 (4 semi-states of 16 each)- Take the top 4 with a full wrestleback. Would need to wrestle the first round on Friday evening to avoid 5 match rule. State with 16, same as semi-state except place 8. Edited January 31, 2017 by RegionRoyalty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Having semi-state as two days would be more difficult since we rent out two big arenas for Evansville and Fort Wayne. Also add in that there are teams that travel 2+ hours for some semi-states that would be very much frowned upon by administrators and the IHSAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegionRoyalty Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Having semi-state as two days would be more difficult since we rent out two big arenas for Evansville and Fort Wayne. Also add in that there are teams that travel 2+ hours for some semi-states that would be very much frowned upon by administrators and the IHSAA. Then have a repechage-style wrestleback at the semi-state. You get to wrestleback if the guy who beat you makes the finals. 1st round loser to finalist A vs. 2nd round loser to finalist A, winner faces the semifinal loser to finalist A to get into the 3rd place match. 1st round loser to finalist B vs. 2nd round loser to finalist B, winner faces the semifinal loser to finalist B to get into the 3rd place match. Take the top 4. This is only 4 extra matches per weight from our current system and does not require two days and cuts an entire week off the tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadeDuPont Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 If it were up to me I'd be better at math. With 310 teams each "regional" in your scenario would have an average of 19 teams. On top of that you couldn't have full wrestle backs in one day with that big of a bracket. Was using as an example, not necessary an exact number. Just a scenario in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Adding wrestle-backs from the quarters on only adds 4 matches to each weight also. Five if you want a 5th place match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I'm pretty sure anything w/ the dirty word "wrestleback" will not be listened too or even discussed w/ IHSAA B.O.D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualwrestlingfan Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 If it were up to me I'd be better at math. With 310 teams each "regional" in your scenario would have an average of 19 teams. On top of that you couldn't have full wrestle backs in one day with that big of a bracket. You probably have told this to me or others before, but is the 310 including teams with a minimum amount of 1 wrestler or is the minimum greater? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 You probably have told this to me or others before, but is the 310 including teams with a minimum amount of 1 wrestler or is the minimum greater? This year there were 304 schools whose sectional scores counted because of having at least 3 kids wrestle. Every year there are about 310 entered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualwrestlingfan Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 This year there were 304 schools whose sectional scores counted because of having at least 3 kids wrestle. Every year there are about 310 entered. Thank you! You wouldn't happen to know how many teams have 7+ wrestlers in a lineup? Just wanted to number crunch an idea for my personal curiousity. Just a direction to that information would be helpful and appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog145 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Has anyone ever thought about the idea of "crossing up" the two feeder sectionals from year to year based on how they finish the previous year? For example at Peru and Oak Hill: 2017 Results Oak Hill Sectional Results 1. Oak Hill 2. Western 3. Eastern 4. Marion 5. Kokomo 6. Eastbrook 7. Mississinewa 8. Madison-Grant 9. Taylor Peru Sectional Results 1. Peru 2. Maconaquah 3. Manchester 4. Southwood 5. Northwestern 6. Wabash 7. Northfield 8. North Miami 2018 Sectional Realignment based on 2017 finishes. Oak Hill Sectional 1. Oak Hill 2. Maconaquah 3. Eastern 4. Southwood 5. Kokomo 6. Wabash 7. Mississinewa 8. Taylor Peru Sectional 1. Peru 2. Western 3. Manchester 4. Marion 5. Northwestern 6. Eastbrook 7. North Miami 8. Northfiled 9. Madison Grant Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) 24 sectionals of 12-13 teams each (top 4 advance) 6 regionals with 16 per weight (top 4 advance) 24-man state finals bracket with a first round bye for 6 regional champs and 2 lucky #2's (I think they're dying to increase the turnout at state even more) OR 32 sectionals "as is" (top 4 advance) 8 regionals with 16 per weight (top 3 OR 4 advance) (gives them the gate they want from a big semi-state type event) 24-man state finals bracket with a first round bye for 8 regional champs OR 32-man state finals bracket Edited January 31, 2017 by maligned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Has anybody ever thought about aligning sectionals so they have a similar number of same sized schools. You look at Mooresville, as it has mostly large schools or 3A under the classification or compare it to lake Oak Hill or Twin Lakes that has small schools. Maybe some schools would have to drive farther, but could they move a few schools around. I know the problem is you lose some of the local rivalries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Here is probably the easiest way to eliminate a week 16- 20 team sectionals(basically use current regional structure with some changes) Friday night wrestle the 4 rat or pig tails and then the first round of 16- 12 matches per weight max. That would last about 3 hours total. Pig/rat tail losers are eliminated. Saturday wrestle the rest of the tournament with full wrestle-backs with the top 4 advancing to semi-state. Semi-states with 16 as usual State with 16 as usual nkraus, bog190, Wrestling Scholar and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadeDuPont Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Here is probably the easiest way to eliminate a week 16- 20 team sectionals(basically use current regional structure with some changes) Friday night wrestle the 4 rat or pig tails and then the first round of 16- 12 matches per weight max. That would last about 3 hours total. Pig/rat tail losers are eliminated. Saturday wrestle the rest of the tournament with full wrestle-backs with the top 4 advancing to semi-state. Semi-states with 16 as usual State with 16 as usual This is exactly my thought, but of course without the math part. Or the Saturday with wrestle backs from the quarters you mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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