AlaskanMountie Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) What is the maximum allowance allowed due to cancellations, no practice, etc. per IHSAA/NFHS by-laws? Edited January 17, 2017 by AlaskanMountie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Im not sure if there is one....but im not a rules guy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chambers Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 2 additional pounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Yeah I just checked the Winter bulliton its 2 lbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskanMountie Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 Thanks, guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionsFan Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 So if it's after Jan. 1, it is technically 4 pounds...2 for the growth and 2 on top of that correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsisson Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Here is the real question. If you let a 106, 113, 120, 126 pounders to weigh 2 over does the weighin the following week count as a qualifying weighin because all 4 of those weight classes would have to lose more than 1.5% in order to get back down to their weight class the following week. I know when we ran into this this year I only allowed those guys 1lb just to be safe. Bigyusm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 As long as you have your 6 qualifying weigh ins it doesn't matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) As long as you have your 6 qualifying weigh ins it doesn't matter It may matter for the light weights come Sectionals at least due to the interpretation (they have varied) of the % of weight you are allowed to drop per week according to the Weight Calculations. I know some guys who fluctuate between weight classes could have some issue from week to week if they are to following the weight plan when additional pounds are added due to weather issues. Edited January 18, 2017 by MattM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsawwrestling Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 It may matter for the light weights come Sectionals at least due to the interpretation (they have varied) of the % of weight you are allowed to drop per week according to the Weight Calculations. I know some guys who fluctuate between weight classes could have some issue from week to week if they are to following the weight plan when additional pounds are added due to weather issues. Doesn't matter nor affects their eligibility as long as they have their 6 qualified weigh in's with scratch weight. Say the person wrestles 120, weighs in for tournament this weekend at 125.7 to wrestle 126. They are still qualified and can wrestle 120 for sectionals as long as they already have their qualifying and scratch weight weigh-ins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskanMountie Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 You may want to check on that, warsawwrestling. If the wrestler in your hypothetical weighs in at 125.7, he can only lose 1.5% by the following Saturday (1.88lbs). At least that's how it was explained to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Masters Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I was asked in seeding meeting last year the weight of one of my wrestlers two weeks earlier. The 1.5% is per week is what I was to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swain358 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 IHSAA needs to do some adjusting to the weight management program. Sounds like we as coaches are not sure exactly how the plan works. I am at the understanding that you only need 6 qualifying weigh ins, one at scratch weight and one weigh in during the month of January at the weight you plan on wrestling for the state tournament. In the above scenario your sectional weigh in does not technically have to be a qualifying weigh in Ex: kid weighs in at 125.6 a week before sectional then drops back down to 120 for the tournament. If he already has his qualifying weigh ins, a scratch weight at 120 and a January weigh in then he is good to go 120 for sectional. My guys weigh in at their sectional weight for the entire month of January so we rarely have any issues with these type of situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) Doesn't matter nor affects their eligibility as long as they have their 6 qualified weigh in's with scratch weight. Say the person wrestles 120, weighs in for tournament this weekend at 125.7 to wrestle 126. They are still qualified and can wrestle 120 for sectionals as long as they already have their qualifying and scratch weight weigh-ins.The way it was explained to me a few years back, the sectional weigh-in may not be about making a qualified weigh-in, but you still had to adhere to the weight management guidelines of 1.5% per week for wrestler safety reasons. This was a ref with many years experience that said this was the rules interpretation he was given, so I tend to take him at his word. However, since then I believe the refs were instructed (not sure by the IHSAA or Rules Committee) to no longer give an official response to none wrestling match rules interpretations. Those questions were to only be answered by the IHSAA. The good news is it generally only comes up as a possible issue when someone (especially lightweights) is wrestling up a weight the weeks before and takes full advantage of the extra pounds he can gain. Or if their is the additional 2lb added due to no practice winter issues and a lightweight take all of those 2lbs. I do know that several coaches have interpreted the meaning of this rule differently over the past few years. Some have even said the 1.5% is just based on the start of years body fat measurement calculation rather than a week to week assessment. But to ensure the wrestling gets to compete and the coach/AD doesn't get dinged by the IHSAA I'd rather error on the side of the 1.5% per week. Just letting your lightweights know they don't have to take advantage of every single 0.1lb of the 2lb weather allowance or if they know they are bumping up a weight class for the weekend usually takes care of any possible issues. Like I said in most cases this isn't an issue, but it could come up from time to time. I do know there have been a few coaches in the past the IHSAA has had to talk to about weight management issues due to their interpretation of this rule. IHSAA needs to do some adjusting to the weight management program. Sounds like we as coaches are not sure exactly how the plan works.Agreed. Very specific clarification would be helpful to ensure a wrestling or coach isn't hurt by the IHSAA for simply misunderstanding how the rules is applied. Edited January 19, 2017 by MattM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I think the IHSAA powers that be know this and are working on a more solid answer to this rule. As stated safety is the number one concern and it just needs to be laid out better which i think is exactly what they are trying to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleJimmy Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Let me see if I understand this correctly...it's basically a very vague rule that has a tremendous amount of gray area with very little to no IHSAA guidance/interpretation/precedent unless a coach calls a competitor on it? So a kid/coach can go to sectional thinking he's legit and not be questioned, wrestle, then get to regionals and be questioned and possibly ruled ineligible? Yikes. Sounds similar to the transfer policy. The fact that the thread is so long with coaches on it with various interpretations is scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Let me see if I understand this correctly...it's basically a very vague rule that has a tremendous amount of gray area with very little to no IHSAA guidance/interpretation/precedent unless a coach calls a competitor on it? So a kid/coach can go to sectional thinking he's legit and not be questioned, wrestle, then get to regionals and be questioned and possibly ruled ineligible? Yikes. Sounds similar to the transfer policy. The fact that the thread is so long with coaches on it with various interpretations is scary. So, if a coach calls someone out because their interpretation is not the same as the other coach's interpretation, who then makes the final call? Does the tournament director? The head official? Is the IHSAA called???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsawwrestling Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) The referee's have nothing to do with weight verification, from the big dog himself during the rules interpretation at Fort Wayne earlier this year. We were instructed to not even ask them. Mr. Faulkens said himself it's not uncommon for teenagers to fluctuate 4 to 5 pounds per week. At Warsaw we have nothing to worry about because we don't have any kids cutting weight anyway. Edited January 19, 2017 by warsawwrestling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskanMountie Posted January 20, 2017 Author Share Posted January 20, 2017 I am interested to hear the rationale of how a wrestler cutting from 125.6 this Saturday to 122 next Saturday (Sectionals) isn't in violation of the weight management provision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsawwrestling Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Cause technically you need 6 qualifying weigh-ins and make scratch weight (has to be made following management program) during season. Doesn't state it has to be followed otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskanMountie Posted January 20, 2017 Author Share Posted January 20, 2017 So in other words the weigh management rules do not have to be followed in the post season? I would be surprised if the IHSAA agreed with that interpretation. I could be wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENoblewrestling Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) I'm pretty sure that the program we enter the weight into is only looking for you being at or above the minimum weight as stated on your alpha weigh in. So as long as you are above that weight it's qualifying according to the program even though it might not be according to the rule.So if your minimum weight is 125, and you go 125.4, 130, then back to 125.9 I think they would all be qualifying according to the program because I don't think it takes the 1.5%into account, it just looks for you being above that minimum weight. Anyone know if I'm correct or not on that? Edited January 20, 2017 by buscowrestling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskanMountie Posted January 20, 2017 Author Share Posted January 20, 2017 So what penalty is there if a wrestler loses more than 1.5% per week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rookie78 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Everyone could just get to weight and stay put rather than jumping ship the last two weeks before sectionals. Get to the weight you want to wrestle and/or whatever the alpha report let's you get to, regardless of who is in your weight class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backtothemat Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Wow. There is no agreement on what the rule is here. Anyone have an absolute correct answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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