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Indiana drops their first dual against a very good Minnesota Blue squad. Up next for the Greco team will be Texas Red.

 

Match #1 Champ. Round 1: Minnesota Blue defeated Indiana 56-13
126 - Paul Konrath (Indiana) over Rylee Molitor (Minnesota Blue) Dec 6-4
132 - Brent Jones (Minnesota Blue) over Breyden Bailey (Indiana) Fall 1:35
138 - Calvin Germinaro (Minnesota Blue) over Luke Schleissman (Indiana) TF 10-0
145 - Alex Crowe (Minnesota Blue) over Zach Worden (Indiana) TF 10-0
152 - Travis Ostby (Minnesota Blue) over Unknown (Unattached) Forf 
160 - Jerod Novak (Minnesota Blue) over Jacob Clark (Indiana) TF 14-0
170 - Alston Bane (Indiana) over Lucas Jeske (Minnesota Blue) Dec 14-12
182 - Owen Webster (Minnesota Blue) over Noah Cressell (Indiana) TF 11-1
195 - Andrew Davison (Indiana) over Jonah Lange (Minnesota Blue) TF 14-4
220 - Trenten Rogich (Minnesota Blue) over Unknown (Unattached) Forf 
285 - Sam Erckenbrack (Minnesota Blue) over Unknown (Unattached) Forf 
100 - Matt Peterson (Minnesota Blue) over Unknown (Unattached) Forf 
106 - Ashton Clark (Minnesota Blue) over Traye Owens (Indiana) TF 10-0
113 - Patrick Mckee (Minnesota Blue) over Nick Brady (Indiana) TF 26-15
120 - Victor Gliva (Minnesota Blue) over Colin Poynter (Indiana) TF 20-9

 

Edit: If you have FLOPRO you can see them wrestle Texas Red on mat 13.

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Team Indiana Wins #3 42-20 against South Carolina. A couple of nice 5PT THROWS by Davidson and Moran.

Round #4 starting now against Tennessee.


Wait those throws were in Round #2 against TEXAS!

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Rest of results from yesterday saw Indiana drop their last two duals to Tennessee and Colorado, putting them at 6th place in pool A. They will finish up today in the Red/Blue pool (essentially 17th-24th place) with Colorado, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, North Dakota Red, Georgia, Texas Blue, and Kansas Red.

 

Match #4 Cons. Round 3: Indiana defeated South Carolina 32-18
145 - Riley Briggs (South Carolina) over Zach Worden (Indiana) TF 14-4
152 - Double Forfeit
160 - Jacob Clark (Indiana) over Caleb Carrillo (South Carolina) Dec 13-5
170 - Elijah Davis (South Carolina) over Alston Bane (Indiana) TF 11-0
182 - Noah Cressell (Indiana) over Tyrese Pressey (South Carolina) TF 14-0
195 - Andrew Davison (Indiana) over Unknown (Unattached) Forf 
220 - Double Forfeit
285 - Double Forfeit
100 - Double Forfeit
106 - Traye Owens (Indiana) over Unknown (Unattached) Forf 
113 - Nick Brady (Indiana) over Unknown (Unattached) Forf 
120 - Wyatt O`Quinn (South Carolina) over Ian Dembowski (Indiana) Fall 1:41
126 - Paul Konrath (Indiana) over keynan Bosch (South Carolina) TF 12-0
132 - Trevor Mansfield (South Carolina) over Breyden Bailey (Indiana) Dec 20-16
138 - Luke Schleissman (Indiana) over Jacob Arnold (South Carolina) TF 12-2

Match #5 Cons. Semi: Tennessee defeated Indiana 56-13
152 - Mason Reiniche (Tennessee) over Unknown (Unattached) Forf 
160 - Drew Nicholson (Tennessee) over Jacob Clark (Indiana) TF 12-2
170 - Thomas Brackett (Tennessee) over Alston Bane (Indiana) TF 10-0
182 - Noah Cressell (Indiana) over Seth Patera (Tennessee) TF 10-0
195 - Andrew Davison (Indiana) over James Hargrove (Tennessee) Dec 9-3
220 - Javier Salvador (Tennessee) over Unknown (Unattached) Forf 
285 - Nicholas Boykin (Tennessee) over Unknown (Unattached) Forf 
100 - Dream Cotton (Tennessee) over Unknown (Unattached) Forf 
106 - Jake Moran (Indiana) over Jeff Gross (Tennessee) Dec 12-4
113 - Garrett Bowers (Tennessee) over Nick Brady (Indiana) TF 12-1
120 - TJ Hicks (Tennessee) over Colin Poynter (Indiana) TF 18-7
126 - Michael Mora-Colon (Tennessee) over Unknown (Unattached) Forf 
132 - Brock Herring (Tennessee) over Unknown (Unattached) Forf 
138 - Bryce Wittman (Tennessee) over Luke Schleissman (Indiana) TF 11-0
145 - Tanner Tidswell (Tennessee) over Zach Worden (Indiana) TF 10-0

Match #6 5th Place Match: Colorado defeated Indiana 44-21
160 - Diego Calderon (Colorado) over Jacob Clark (Indiana) TF 13-2
170 - Myles Wilson (Colorado) over Alston Bane (Indiana) TF 10-0
182 - Noah Cressell (Indiana) over James Weaver (Colorado) Fall 0:57
195 - Nolan Funk (Colorado) over Andrew Davison (Indiana) Dec 11-9
220 - Hunter Mooring (Colorado) over Unknown (Unattached) Forf 
285 - Sammy DeSeriere (Colorado) over Unknown (Unattached) Forf 
100 - Double Forfeit
106 - caleb cox (Colorado) over Traye Owens (Indiana) TF 10-0
113 - stephen debalko (Colorado) over Nick Brady (Indiana) Fall 1:06
120 - Colin Poynter (Indiana) over Unknown (Unattached) Forf 
126 - Paul Konrath (Indiana) over Jack Kelly (Colorado) TF 12-2
132 - Breyden Bailey (Indiana) over Thomas Stager (Colorado) Fall 2:32
138 - Owen Lamb (Colorado) over Luke Schleissman (Indiana) TF 10-0
145 - Juan Rodriquez (Colorado) over Zach Worden (Indiana) TF 10-0
152 - Dre-Son Scruggs (Colorado) over Unknown (Unattached) Forf

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I wonder why Streck didn't make it?

In general it's usually a bit of a harder sell to get graduating Seniors that already have their college plans set to attend mid-summer trips, especially with the coat attached. They are usually either busy working to raise some spending money for college, taking some time off prior to school starting, or in some cases taking some summer classes to lighten the in-season course load.
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Thanks for the info. I guess I was just wondering why in a previous post, I saw that he committed. I was just looking forward to seeing how he did.

Obviously I was just speaking in general terms, so I'm not sure what his personal reasons are for sure.

 

However, for a team trip like this I thing to get big names to attend, especially graduate senior, it has a little to do with their peers making a push to get them on board. I know in the past some kids fromthe big name states have commented on how one stud was able to "talk" another stud to coming aboard to help them make a push to win it all. Just like attending none HS mandatory wrestling stuff in HS, having coaches talk it up is one thing, but getting fellow studs to say they want you there to help the team make a big showing is another. Most of these kids have attended enough event in their youth that they know each other and in many cases communicate even outside of wrestling events. I'm guessing for people like Streck it could be more enticing if they heard from some other top signed on kids (usually one with that electric type of personality) that this was the year the IN kids felt they could make stand and would like his help. I'm not saying he would/could sign on, but it would definitely be more interesting someone like him. When it comes to HS things I've always saw the ground level grassroots peer approached as a much greater participation draw than the coaches pushing things out. Sure a trusted and well liked coach can get some things going, but getting the right kids to encourage the others is really what ends up helping get the turn out to a higher level.

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From the original declaration we are missing

http://indianamat.com/index.php/topic/50510-2016-junior-national-dual-team-selection/

From Gold

Sammy Fair, Kain Rust, Noah Warren- Blame Mickey Mouse

Jacob Gray, Jose Champagne, "Ethan" Ellis, and Shawn Streck

From Blue

Ranger Soots, Kameron Fuller(Blame Mickey the Mouse), Anthony Ruhana, Daniel Phifer 

 

From the second announcement we are missing

Anthony Ruhana, Shawn Streck, and Daniel Phifer

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My guess he is he was only softly committed, thus why there was another heavyweight on the roster. Of course neither went for whatever reasons. 

 

It looks like Indiana got around USAW's rules on the minimum number to enter the duals also with only 7 on the blue team.

 

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so the ISWA isn't the only organization that lets things slide. ;)   Should we demand the powers that be to open inquiry as to why we were allowed to compete?

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This may or may not be the official report but just some thoughts I took away from the event....

 

This was the first time we took two teams in I don't how many years.  Granted, it wasn't filled and our best weren't there, but being able to even ENTER two teams is a big step in the right direction for Indiana.  Georgia was our equivalent this year regarding teams and numbers.  I saw above about how we had a 7 man team, where 8 was the requirement, and that was a special privilege they gave to us because we had some guys get injured who couldn't compete before weigh-ins.  They also, similar to some other national duals this year, created a pool for some of the smaller teams to get additional matches so it worked out for everyone.  I had the choice to put everyone on one team, but then there would have been several weights with too many guys and kids would have walked away with only a couple of matches, so I just kept the second team.  On the other hand, If our best guys were there, or even more guys were there, or even the guys who committed that backed out (valid or invalid) were there, this would not have been an issue.  Still, taking two teams is a step in the right direction for Indiana for sure.

 

Ohio beats Illinois in the Freestyle Finals.  This was bittersweet to me personally.  Sweet because Ohio won and I believe our best top to bottom can roll with Ohio.  Bitter because here we are at the national dual tournament and our neighboring states were in the finals facing each other, and good ol' Indiana stuck right in the middle was not even close.  Major difference?  Loaded question, but the simple answer is the vast majority of their best kids came.  Ohio beat New Jersey, who were loaded themselves, in the semi-finals in a last match nail-biter and were able to get on an early roll over Illinois in the finals.  Illinois was missing a few studs and it showed, but still handled their business as usual.  Having these teams in the finals only emboldened our kids even more to come back and roll harder.  They took it a little personal....as they should.

 

Indiana Greco. The same thing holds true in Freestyle, but it is more prominent in Greco: forfeits kill us.  We aren't well versed in Greco as a state (problem) but with a full line-up we would have surely done better than 23rd.  Still, we had less forfeits than past years and our finish showed as we placed higher than in past years. I remember one year not too long ago we placed 32 out of 33 in Greco. Several guys stepped up to get into the greco line-up, some guys even bumping up, primarily for the 4 pound allowance and because we needed it.  The guys that didn't get in on the greco wish they would have because it looked fun, for the allowance, and because the alternates made it less of a grind. Yes, we were lacking fundamental Greco basics which needs to be addressed as a state, but simply filling a full greco team is first and foremost.  

 

Indiana Freestyle.  IF IF IF we had alllllllll (pause) alllllllllll of our best guys we genuinely would have had a shot to win it, or at least All-American, but we didn't so we had to play the hand we are dealt.  On a positive note, every kid who went wrestled their hardest and wrestled tough.  Every wrestler who went learned what they need to do to get better.  It is easy to keep doing the same thing when you're winning conference titles in Indiana, but when we get exposed against the best of the best in the country it definitely humbles the best of us.  Technically, we still can't stop a gut consistently, aren't on the level for consistent 4 point moves, or able to gut ourselves, we still mostly shoot with our head down and stop (folkstyle), along with several other issues Folkstyle does not penalize us for -  but being able to point out these habits to our kids will benefit them greatly as they make the adjustments and will be that much stronger for the H.S. season.

 

Alternates are necessary.  I know some folks, parents and kids questioned in the past why we would take alternates but again, if anyone saw every match, let alone be in the atmosphere, this tournament is a GRIND!!!  It's tough enough to go lose once or twice being suplexed on your head, but losing time and time again, and STILL having to go out there expected to perform at a maximum level is extremely challenging for most of our kids physically and mentally.  Alternates help us stay fresh, healthy and safe, which is necessary because of the truly high-quality competition and overall length of this tournament.  Again, going greco and freestyle for 4 days straight against this level is something the majority of Indiana kids aren't used to.

 

Coaching Staff.  Shout out to Coach Bradley (Marian University), Travis Pascoe (Indiana University), Ben Wissel (Duke University) and Coach Myers (Hamilton Heights) for investing in this team.  Having them on the staff helps the kids not only get more exposure to college coaches, but when they are all saying a lot of the same thing in regards to what we need to do to better perform against this level of competition, it rings a little bit louder in the kid's ears.  My goal is to keep this same group together at least for another year or two, and possibly bring in a few more elite level coaches to help fill the team, push the privilege, and sell the exposure of this event for our kids.  

 

On another note, I spoke with and interviewed Andrew Howe, who helped coach Illinois, along with several other coaches I know/saw from Michigan, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Purdue, Minnesota, etc. and about a dozen D2, D3, NAIA and Juco programs about their thoughts of Indiana.  BIG shout out to Coach Tom Erikson too who came to support.  This legend in USAW and Oklahoma for that matter, was the previous Team Leader before spearheading Lyon University, came and sat at almost every single dual to watch and support our kids.  I find this significant because he could have been wandering around recruiting like the other college coaches who weren't currently coaching a state team, but instead chose continue his support of Indiana - essentially in his home state! That's love...as well as the #22pushupchallenge he did with the team was pretty cool.  

 

Parents. Parents. Parents.  Awesome, without a doubt, and absolutely necessary.  The Brady's came out and even bought a cooler and stocked it with supplies, food, drinks, etc.  Coach Bane of Richmond came out and supported Alston and the rest of the team, which was great to have his presence and even demeanor out there.  Indiana native stud Alex Warren made the trip to support Christian and the team as well, which was cool as he wrestled at this event in the past.  Mama Mappes, bless her heart, was the sweetest thing and rooted on all the boys. The Barclay's were off in the cut too and having them there only helped further strengthen our presence. I realized that if we are gonna do this, better organization and preparation on my side is gonna be needed with the parents. I realized it too late but if a parent volunteered (work the camera or clock for the team) then they could get in free.  Their help was never needed so they got the chance to basically get in free.  But after tasting this parental support this year, it isn't going anywhere and is only going to amp up.

 

Great Team Experience. These dudes were fried.  From the knuckleheads to the silent assassins, it's always fun getting guys together from across the state, different regions, schools, personalities, etc. The interaction between successes is invaluable.  The more successful kids directly and indirectly raise the expectations of the newer kids who haven't necessarily had that success, and this just feeds the cycle of building the culture and ultimately Indiana's success and reputation.  The higher Indiana's success and reputation at this level, the more colleges will recruit Indiana kids. This trip with Indiana's "best" has just as much team camaraderie as any other trip and it is also a big component for Indiana's culture.  It was stated earlier about Indiana's best kids pulling the other best kids to help fill this team, and they are absolutely correct.  Only having a few seniors was tough but it allowed our Juniors and younger guys (many of which will be among Indiana's top guys next year) to bond, take this event personal, and amp up to spread the word and come back next year with a vengeance.

 

Venue. From my understanding, this tournament may be up for bid?  I heard something about a two year-cycle.  Wouldn't it be awesome if the USAW Junior National Dual Championships were held here in Indiana? I think about how much easier it would be to get Indiana's best from a quality, quantity and financial standpoint, give Indiana fans, coaches and wrestlers a chance to see this level up close and personal, more top flight coaches stepping on Indiana soil, etc.  There are a lot of possibilities.  On the other hand, the Schoolboys are here and I think we had forfeits on that team as well?  It would take a lot of work to pull this off and that is a major commitment for the ISWA, although it could be done.  Either way, the location could ultimately affect the cost of this trip for us and possibly who and how many we take. Oklahoma gets it mostly because they want it and prepared to do it, from multiple cities inside the state, but there are some other states who will end up bidding for it. I'll keep an eye on it.

 

Team Leader. I am personally looking to lock guys in by IHSAA state for the Gold Team, push more kids to train F/G and participate at Freestyle State for the Blue Team, utilizing more recruiting avenues, providing better training opportunities throughout the summer with the RTCs, getting team sponsors to make it cheaper for kids, working closer with coaches to fill the team, being a little stricter with the selection process, etc. are just a few of the things I will take a look at to have a better showing out here.  Although I don't think we could do it, but I wouldn't even be opposed to giving the guys who made this trip first right of refusal for next year's team just to insure this year becomes at least par. Either way, it should take a collective effort.  Trust, however, that in no way are we satisfied  with these results even remotely. The kids who went are not either.  We will make the proper adjustments and come back bigger and better next year. Given the opportunity, my ultimate goal is to help Indiana win the Team National Championship and/or all-American three years in a row.

 

Conclusion.   In Freestyle, Indiana Gold placed 22nd and Indiana Blue placed 38th out of 39 teams.   Indiana Greco placed 23rd out of 34 teams. We have several wrestlers who made the All-Dual Team and even more who beat some national ranked guys, multiple time state champions, etc. It was fun and every single person got better.  Still, we need to get all of our best guys.  We need to get more guys on the team.  It needs to be cheaper.  We need to be better prepared.  Those 4 areas ultimately requires a culture shift for the state as a whole, as an organization, as coaches, parents, individual wrestlers, and getting outside of one's comfort zone is never easy.  But, then again, nothing epic ever happens in the comfort zone.  Regardless, Indiana should be proud of these boys.

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Coaches, I tip my cap to all of you who selflessly gave your time to this group and ultimately to our state.  The Junior Duals is like you said an absolute grind...especially if you wrestled both styles. As a parent/fan it was disheartening not to field a full team in either style, as there were many duals that could have gone the other way had we not forfeited multiple weights.  From talking to other parents that were there, competing on the national team from other states is an absolute honor, and monetarily speaking, their kids were "rewarded" with this trip to represent their respective states.  From the handful of parents that I spoke to, not one state had the price tag that we did for this experience, and some of the teams even flew their kids in for cheaper.  Obviously, as coaches, that is out of your control, but all things considered, lessening the cost would probably go a long way towards getting a better representation of Indiana on such a big stage.  It was an incredible gathering of accomplished, aspiring wrestlers, and coupled with the team aspect...it was exciting as hell.  I hope that moving forward, we can actually get our best kids to buy into this event.  On another note, it was pretty cool to see many young college coaches and top assistants actively coaching at this event...Howe, Morningstar, Simmons, Becker...in addition to our Indiana guys to name a few.

 

PS:  Coolers were allowed at this tournament, next year we need to plan accordingly.

 

Thanks again to the Indiana staff!  Major props for your commitment to OUR kids. 

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We really need to come up with a way to fill our national teams. Heck.... we can't even fill our schoolboy team and the tournament is right here in Indy. The forfeits at the national level have to be a top priority for the powers to be. We can't wait until freestyle state to get these teams aligned. I would like to see some sort of freestyle and Greco camp or qualifier after high school state. This will allow us to get these teams full when everybody is still knee deep in the sport. The way I see it it, three things need to happen.

1. Rework the two tournament rule (make exceptions for our national team members and include rtc's as a way to qualify).

2. Pick teams earlier and hold workouts for the teams. I hate the crash course camps that we have now. Doing a three day camp and then wrestling 4 days at the national level is too much. The kids are dead in the last days. We do need to allow alternates. Getting all the matches at this level for 4 days is too much. All the top teams bring extra kids. As a team leader in the past, I would try to get kids to wrestle both styles. Heck.. My own son has done it. As I look back, I would not recommend a kid to do all matches over the four days.

3. Figure out a way to make the trip cheaper.

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Coach Hull always complains about Disney taking some of our best talent, but yet the kids can go there and get 15 matches for half the price. That's a pretty easy decision for parents/kids/coaches when it comes to choosing which event to attend.

 

As far as the costs they are that much for a couple reasons. First off, the kids are basically paying for the coaches and dignitaries to go to the event. That includes food, transportation, gear, and lodging. Spread that over 20 kids and it's not too bad, but does add to the overall cost. Secondly, the ISWA(at least when I was a big wig) has a pool of money they divvy up amongst the national team trips, schoolboy/cadet/junior duals, Fargo, etc based on their budget. Some trips get more money, some less. It would be absurd to make the coaches pay, but the ISWA could give more to our duals teams to lessen the cost. I do know the gear for this year's national teams is a lot more reasonable in price since they opened up bidding from outside companies. Hopefully this will lead to a reduction in price for all the trips.

 

As far as numbers, the qualifier debacle is a big reason why we have the forfeits. I've said this a lot, kids aren't training freestyle because they look at the calendar in March and can't make enough events to go to state. Thus, they do not train a lick of freestyle since they won't go to state.

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