RaiderColfax Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) It'll keep every fan in the stands. I hate seeing the stand empty for my beloved heavies! Edited February 17, 2016 by RaiderColfax runner-up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) The IHSAA doesn't make a dime off concessions You mean I'm not contributing anything back to the wrestling community when I buy the $10 barbecue nachos and the $6 diet coke at Bankers Life. Edited February 17, 2016 by Wrestling Scholar leaveitonthemat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Galt Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I agree with many of the points on both sides. However, I favor keeping it the way it is. Wrestlers, regardless of the weight, don't wrestle for the fans. They wrestle for themselves. I just think it would be the wrong message (read basketball like) to alter the system to get more fans to stay and watch to make wrestling more popular. Wrestling isn't for everybody and we should not change just to adapt to others. That goes against what wrestling is about. I like that it is a select group. Those of us who truly appreciate it (wrestlers and fans) will appreciate it no matter who wrestles last. IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share Posted February 17, 2016 So we shouldn't do more to promote the sport and make it more fan friendly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestlenewbie Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 You mean I'm not contributing anything back to the wrestling community when I buy the $10 barbecue nachos and the $6 diet coke at Bankers Life. Diet Coke? with BBQ nachos, perhaps a Wrestling Scholar, but not a culinary one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Galt Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 We can do more, just not to that extent. I would just draw the line there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share Posted February 17, 2016 We can do more, just not to that extent. I would just draw the line there.Catering to only hard core fans isn't going to grow the sport. Doing new an innovative things like having a main event at the state finals will grow the sport. It's pretty lackluster to have the main event midway through the event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWINfan Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Catering to only hard core fans isn't going to grow the sport. Doing new an innovative things like having a main event at the state finals will grow the sport. It's pretty lackluster to have the main event midway through the event. Not to mention moving 132 to the end would likely keep TV viewers longer. The only negative I see is that i don't think you'd want to do it as a one time thing. I think if you do this, a blind draw for the finals would need to continue in future seasons. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 Not to mention moving 132 to the end would likely keep TV viewers longer. The only negative I see is that i don't think you'd want to do it as a one time thing. I think if you do this, a blind draw for the finals would need to continue in future seasons. JMO I think having a small committee of people meeting after the semi-finals to decide the final match would be great. Most years it wouldn't take more than 30 seconds to decide which match to have last. You don't need to have a random draw, just assign it. They are the IHSAA they can give themselves an exception from the rules. I've worked with ESPN for the NCAA finals and they LOVE having the last match as something meaningful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trackgopher Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 And seeing how easy it is to switch, even the idiots who run the TW for the State Finals could not mess it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aoberlin Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 I think having a small committee of people meeting after the semi-finals to decide the final match would be great. Most years it wouldn't take more than 30 seconds to decide which match to have last. You don't need to have a random draw, just assign it. They are the IHSAA they can give themselves an exception from the rules. I've worked with ESPN for the NCAA finals and they LOVE having the last match as something meaningful. This is exactly what I am thinking. I would like to nominate myself to this committee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regionrat1 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Who did he beat English? Not exactly apples to apples comparison English 1x champ 1x runner up multiple Fargo all American / the only difference Alex wrestled him at least 3-4 times that year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1prouddad Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 I think having a small committee of people meeting after the semi-finals to decide the final match would be great. Most years it wouldn't take more than 30 seconds to decide which match to have last. You don't need to have a random draw, just assign it. They are the IHSAA they can give themselves an exception from the rules. I've worked with ESPN for the NCAA finals and they LOVE having the last match as something meaningful. So, the other 13 Championship matches are meaningless? I would think that a Senior, who wrestling in the finals would disagree.Or, a 4 seed winning it all. munges 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU89 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 So, the other 13 Championship matches are meaningless? I would think that a Senior, who wrestling in the finals would disagree.Or, a 4 seed winning it all. Huh?? Who said they're meaningless??? I bet every wrestler in the finals would love to be finished with their match so they could watch Chad and Nick go at it. The order of matches would not matter one bit to those kids and NONE of them would feel disrespected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiderColfax Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 I'm not saying it's any of you folks, but it seems like heavyweight is the meaningless weight, people leave early and bankers life is almost empty. A blind draw would be awesome to see because you could possibly have the bigger guys in the middle and more people watching. Just my opinion and what I've noticed. It would be fun to see a lee vs red final if it happens, but heck any match is fun to watch under the lights! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galagore Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Not to mention more butts in the seats means their meaningful match is viewed by more people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aoberlin Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 So, the other 13 Championship matches are meaningless? I would think that a Senior, who wrestling in the finals would disagree.Or, a 4 seed winning it all.No one is saying anything is meaningless. Should we stop giving out outstanding wrestler awards at tournaments because it may make other kids feel less important? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novice Bat Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Red vs Nick Lee will go down as one of the greatest matches in Indiana wrestling history. None of the finalist would be dissapointed if they were not the last match, because now they could sit down and enjoy the 132 final. It takes nothing away from the other wrestlers, and keeps butts in seats for longer, and would give more respect to the heavier weights who usually have less people watching because the fans want to beat the traffic. IU89 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1prouddad Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 No one is saying anything is meaningless. Should we stop giving out outstanding wrestler awards at tournaments because it may make other kids feel less important?There's a difference between the 2 points here. One is an award that's given after everything has been said and done. The other is putting someone before everyone before it even begins. Don't get me wrong, I'm as excited for this match up should it happen as the next person, but not at the expense of another wrestlers big stage opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Spires Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 I'm in favor of this not because I desperately want to see it as the main event, but because I agree with the other people who have said it would be nice for the heavyweights to not have to go on last when half the crowd has already left, or are headed for the doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 There's a difference between the 2 points here. One is an award that's given after everything has been said and done. The other is putting someone before everyone before it even begins. Don't get me wrong, I'm as excited for this match up should it happen as the next person, but not at the expense of another wrestlers big stage opportunity. Never said any match was meaningless. The reason that people want this match is because it's the main event. If this was the first match you'd have about 2,000 people there for the other 13 matches. It's about promotion of the sport and giving the fans the best match for the end. This has been a great success for the NCAAs and ESPN with having a meaningful match at the end. Last year having Logan Stieber last going for his 4th title along with a team race that could hinge on his win was great for the sport. We can do the same here in Indiana and help promote the sport, the buzz around this match is tremendous and like no other in most people's memory. For this sport to grow we have to go outside of our comfort zones to look at ways to bring positive attention to the sport. When two nationally ranked guys lock horns we need to promote. If we'd have this as the last match of the night the buzz would grow as the night wore on. We'd get to see Streck maul someone, we'd get to see Woods vs. Parris, we'd get to see who survives at 106, etc. We have a great opportunity to give our sport some great exposure not only in the state, but in the country. I know we are getting probably more love for our state tournament from Intermat this week than we usually do. Hmmm I wonder why...do you think nationally people care about Streck mauling someone or Red vs. Lee? There is a reason why MMA and boxing events have their biggest fight as the last one, the same should happen in wrestling. Wanting to keep tradition, some NFHS random rule, or worrying about someone not feeling their state title match is import is ludicrous. Most the crowd will leave before Streck wrestles, there is no doubt and yet you want to imply I think 13 other matches are meaningless. I won't leave, but it seems thousands others will deem his match meaningless and SHOW it by heading to their car. FormerHornet, runner-up, Loki27 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Spires Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Never said any match was meaningless. The reason that people want this match is because it's the main event. If this was the first match you'd have about 2,000 people there for the other 13 matches. It's about promotion of the sport and giving the fans the best match for the end. This has been a great success for the NCAAs and ESPN with having a meaningful match at the end. Last year having Logan Stieber last going for his 4th title along with a team race that could hinge on his win was great for the sport. We can do the same here in Indiana and help promote the sport, the buzz around this match is tremendous and like no other in most people's memory. For this sport to grow we have to go outside of our comfort zones to look at ways to bring positive attention to the sport. When two nationally ranked guys lock horns we need to promote. If we'd have this as the last match of the night the buzz would grow as the night wore on. We'd get to see Streck maul someone, we'd get to see Woods vs. Parris, we'd get to see who survives at 106, etc. We have a great opportunity to give our sport some great exposure not only in the state, but in the country. I know we are getting probably more love for our state tournament from Intermat this week than we usually do. Hmmm I wonder why...do you think nationally people care about Streck mauling someone or Red vs. Lee? There is a reason why MMA and boxing events have their biggest fight as the last one, the same should happen in wrestling. Wanting to keep tradition, some NFHS random rule, or worrying about someone not feeling their state title match is import is ludicrous. Most the crowd will leave before Streck wrestles, there is no doubt and yet you want to imply I think 13 other matches are meaningless. I won't leave, but it seems thousands others will deem his match meaningless and SHOW it by heading to their car. Thats actually a really convincing argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMILL Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 I can tell you with 100% certainty that I am a huge wrestling fan and have been looking forward to this State Finals more than any other's in the past for the reason's all stated above, but I also have a son who may be wrestling at Indy Nationals the next day so in order to get him home and get him to bed to be sort of rested for the next day I likely won't stick around for the last or last couple of weight classes. Now if the last weight class was 132 he would have to wrestle tired the next day because there is no way we would leave !!!! That is probably the feeling a great majority of the people will share. Sorry but it is just reality. Justin Ratliff and panther83 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Ratliff Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 ^what he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpunkyPotato Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 There is no love for the heavyweights I guess. Seeing streck maul somebody is the best. It really got me excited and the rest of the people that were there left last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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