Jayruss Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I mentioned Indiana and its progression in high school wrestling several times already. I think the talent is off the charts right now. If Lance Ellis were wrestling today, what would he place at state, or would he even place at state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdspiderman81 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Are you serious. He is an Indiana wrestling legend and it should be left at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 People tend to focus on the technique and things like stance when watching videos from 20-30 years ago. They fail to realize that what makes up a good wrestler back then is the same thing that makes a good one now. Things like work ethic, dedication, discipline, athleticism, etc. are all the qualities that guys like Ellis had that made him successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Ursula Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 The only thing that has changed in the last 25 years since The Great Sir Lance Ellis stalked the mats at Market Square Arena is technology. His mentality would be the same therefore I'll bite on this topic and say he would still be a 4 timer. If he had YouTube, Flowrestling, Indianamat, Indiana Pride Wrestling Academy, Scott Ellis....4x undefeated state champion. His mentality won those titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grecoref Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 (edited) I really think it would be tough for Lance to win 4 titles today. First off, I think Lance is about 43 or 44 years old and he probably doesn't train like he used too. With that being said, my money is still on Lance. Edited November 14, 2014 by grecoref hummels, edb41, zachpierson and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchas Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 All I know is that I wrestled at the same time Lance did, and the wrestling today is way better than it was then. I think Lance himself would admit to that. With that said. If you are compairing the exact wrestler Lance was then to the guys that are wrestling today. I give the edge to the guys today. I you are saying if Lance was training today and wrestling today. He would diffinently be one of the top guys in the State. Is that too political correct of an answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsawwrestling Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 All I know is that I wrestled at the same time Lance did, and the wrestling today is way better than it was then. I think Lance himself would admit to that. With that said. If you are compairing the exact wrestler Lance was then to the guys that are wrestling today. I give the edge to the guys today. I you are saying if Lance was training today and wrestling today. He would diffinently be one of the top guys in the State. Is that too political correct of an answer? I also wrestled during this time. I also coach and work in a high school every day now. The work ethic of the kids today is not the same of the generation that Lance came from, nor is his or mine the same as the studs that stepped on the mats years before us. It is like arguing takedown records today verses 30 years ago. Back then everything was about domination in not letting anyone score points on you. Now domination can mean that, putting on a takedown show or other ways. It is fun to argue about who is better, but not sure you can compare styles. If he was brought up in this era he more than likely would have wrestled a bit different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchas Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 If you are saying we worked harder than the kids today. You must be in the wrong room! The good kids today train 10-12 months a year. They train against better compition. And train better and harder than we ever did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 If you are saying we worked harder than the kids today. You must be in the wrong room! The good kids today train 10-12 months a year. They train against better compition. And train better and harder than we ever did. Kids back in the day walked to school uphill both ways, barefoot in 12 feet of snow! They didn't have video games or the Tweeter and chopped wood for conditioning. Like I said earlier, you put Ellis, Gable, etc in this era and they would thrive just as much. What makes a good wrestler is strength, skill, dedication, determination, etc. That part of the sport will never change. loscoz and S-Brooks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsawwrestling Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 If you are saying we worked harder than the kids today. You must be in the wrong room! The good kids today train 10-12 months a year. They train against better compition. And train better and harder than we ever did. Let me correct part of my statement. The amount of kids willing to make the sacrifice is dramatically less. Talent and skill are better because of more opportunity than there used to be. Like Y2CJ41 said, "You put Ellis, Gable, etc. in this era and they would thrive just as much." Y2CJ41 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 From what little I've seen (on video) and heard about from people regarding Lance, I have picked up that he was somewhat ahead of the time in the use of certain techniques compared to even some of the better wrestlers of the time. I would think that mixed in with his tenacity would still make his an extremely dangerous for some top light weights today. I'm not saying he would go 4 years undefeated, but from what I've gathered he had the tools back then to hang with some top talent today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greco165 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I also wrestled during this time. I also coach and work in a high school every day now. The work ethic of the kids today is not the same of the generation that Lance came from, nor is his or mine the same as the studs that stepped on the mats years before us. It is like arguing takedown records today verses 30 years ago. Back then everything was about domination in not letting anyone score points on you. Now domination can mean that, putting on a takedown show or other ways. It is fun to argue about who is better, but not sure you can compare styles. If he was brought up in this era he more than likely would have wrestled a bit different. Come to one of the top programs in the state or follow one of our nationally ranked kids and say that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsawwrestling Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Come to one of the top programs in the state or follow one of our nationally ranked kids and say that If you are going to attack my first statement than read the second..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchas Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Let me correct part of my statement. The amount of kids willing to make the sacrifice is dramatically less. Talent and skill are better because of more opportunity than there used to be. Like Y2CJ41 said, "You put Ellis, Gable, etc. in this era and they would thrive just as much." Y2CJ41 I agree with you on that. That is why I said if they trained today they would be one of the top guys. But I still say, if you take the exact 17 year old Lance Ellis. And match him up against the top guy at his weight from today. I would give the edge to the guy from today. Man I wish I was good enough in High School to have people talking about me 25 years later. carseller0822 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I think that Hulkamania Hogan was way worst when compared to Hollywood Hulk Hogan VS loscoz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestler60160 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I would take Lance to place top 4 today. loscoz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edb41 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 He's one of two undefeated 4 time state champs from the state of Indiana, I'm guessing he'd probably be pretty good about anytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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