devildog47959 Posted December 24, 2010 Share Posted December 24, 2010 No love for the Hoosiers... I really dont think Illinois is a better wrestling state deff not by 5 teams.. I would take our best 5 Teams against there best 5 anyday. I know we could handle our own http://intermatwrestle.com/rankings/high_school/Team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted December 24, 2010 Share Posted December 24, 2010 Illinois is way better than Indiana right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devildog47959 Posted December 24, 2010 Author Share Posted December 24, 2010 Illinois is way better than Indiana right now. So if our best 5 wrestled there best 5, you dont think we could win 2 or 3 meets? I cant see IL going 4-1 or 5-0 against our best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted December 24, 2010 Share Posted December 24, 2010 No I don't, Illinois is on a different level right now. Look at their results from Fargo as an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RankingsGuy Posted December 24, 2010 Share Posted December 24, 2010 agreed. we are not even close devildog.. stick to your field of expertise, the logansport regional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devildog47959 Posted December 24, 2010 Author Share Posted December 24, 2010 agreed. we are not even close devildog.. stick to your field of expertise, the logansport regional. We wont be able to get these teams together, but we will be able to get some of the wrestlers together in the IN vs IL duals at the end of the season. I know our boys can compete with them, wont be surprsied to see IN win the duals As far as the Logan regional, I try my best to stay up on the teams and wrestlers that feed into the Logan regional. We have had some very good wrestlers come from the Logan regional over they years, but my knowledge of the sport gos far beyond the Berries Gym in February. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceshot Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 Let's compare the top individual in each weight now. 103: IL: # 7 Matt Garelli - Fenwick IN: none 112: IL: #2 Jered Cortez - Marmion Academy IN: #4 Cody Phillips - Union COunty 119: IL: #19 Derek Elmore - Manchesny Park Harlem IN: none 125: IL: #10 Eddie Klimara - Providence Catholic; #18 Danny Sabatello - Stevenson IN: none 130: IL: #9 Ben Whitford - Marmion Academy; #12 Zane Richards - Carbondale; Joey Gosinski - Glenbard North IN: none 135: IL: #8 Jameson Oster - Lockport; #9 Trevor Jauch - Crystal Lake Central IN: none 140: IL: #13 Lucas Smith - Wheeling; #20 Brian Murphy - Glenbard North IN: #3 Jason Tsirtsis - Crown Point 145: IL: #3 Edwin Cooper - Providence Catholic IN: #13 Eric Roach - Crown Point 152: IL: #4 Max Schneider - Chicago Lane; #6 Joey Kielbasa - Crystal Lake Central IN: none 160: IL: #18 Dylan Reel - Washington; #20 Steve Congenie - Villa Park IN: none 171: IL: #2 Jahwon Akui - Saint Rita; #8 Sam Brooks - Oak Park River Forest IN: #13 Drake Stein - Princeton 189: IL: #3 Austin Marsden - Crystall Lake Central IN: #8 Mitch Sliga - Fishers 215: IL: #5 Gage Harrah - Crystal Lake Central; #8 Michael Sojka - Winnebago; #11 Josh Marchok - Schaumburg; #20 West Cathcart - Geneseo IN: none 285: IL: #7 Jack Allen - Hinsdale Central; #13 Chris Lopez - Carl Sandburg IN: none Based off that I think that this year IL is better than IN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devildog47959 Posted December 25, 2010 Author Share Posted December 25, 2010 Let's compare the top individual in each weight now. 103: IL: # 7 Matt Garelli - Fenwick IN: none 112: IL: #2 Jered Cortez - Marmion Academy IN: #4 Cody Phillips - Union COunty 119: IL: #19 Derek Elmore - Manchesny Park Harlem IN: none 125: IL: #10 Eddie Klimara - Providence Catholic; #18 Danny Sabatello - Stevenson IN: none 130: IL: #9 Ben Whitford - Marmion Academy; #12 Zane Richards - Carbondale; Joey Gosinski - Glenbard North IN: none 135: IL: #8 Jameson Oster - Lockport; #9 Trevor Jauch - Crystal Lake Central IN: none 140: IL: #13 Lucas Smith - Wheeling; #20 Brian Murphy - Glenbard North IN: #3 Jason Tsirtsis - Crown Point 145: IL: #3 Edwin Cooper - Providence Catholic IN: #13 Eric Roach - Crown Point 152: IL: #4 Max Schneider - Chicago Lane; #6 Joey Kielbasa - Crystal Lake Central IN: none 160: IL: #18 Dylan Reel - Washington; #20 Steve Congenie - Villa Park IN: none 171: IL: #2 Jahwon Akui - Saint Rita; #8 Sam Brooks - Oak Park River Forest IN: #13 Drake Stein - Princeton 189: IL: #3 Austin Marsden - Crystall Lake Central IN: #8 Mitch Sliga - Fishers 215: IL: #5 Gage Harrah - Crystal Lake Central; #8 Michael Sojka - Winnebago; #11 Josh Marchok - Schaumburg; #20 West Cathcart - Geneseo IN: none 285: IL: #7 Jack Allen - Hinsdale Central; #13 Chris Lopez - Carl Sandburg IN: none Based off that I think that this year IL is better than IN. Thanks for posting that Info, I hope we get to see some of these matchups in the IN vs IL duals at the end of the season! Be some very good matches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 152: #6 Joey Kielbasa - Crystal Lake Central What a great name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogoplata89 Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 Must be all that class wrestling they have going on. : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtv2112 Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 Must be all that class wrestling they have going on. : While that certainly may play a role, I would suggest that the biggest impact is that Illinois has roughly double the population of Indiana. I don't have any raw data to back this up, but Illinois probably has twice the participation level (# of wrestlers). If they have a larger advantage on participation than the population difference would dictate, then the class wrestling argument would certainly have a seat at the table for increasing participation. I'm pretty sure this has been discussed previously on this site. Merry Christmas to all up at this hour. I have about 12 minutes to go for my official Christmas day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 Iowa has over a million less people than us and 18 ranked wrestlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munges Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 Iowa has over a million less people than us and 18 ranked wrestlers. Is Y2 saying size does not matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormerHornet Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 You missed Ethan Raley at 130 ranked 11th in America. So that makes it look a lil more respectable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtv2112 Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 Iowa has over a million less people than us and 18 ranked wrestlers. Boys participation-all sports Illinois- 205,544 Iowa- 84,296 Indiana- 93,424 Boys participation - wrestling Illinois-17,814 Iowa- 6,665 Indiana- 7,854 A conclusion would be that Iowa is a better wrestling state than Indiana. News only to those that have crawled out from under a rock this morning. Illinois compared to Indiana would require more data mining and debate than I have time for right now. But I do think it is debatable. This, to me, is a different question than which state has the best wrestlers. It would seem Illinois has that wrapped up based upon performance and rankings both (as compared to Indiana). It's a question of which state does better with the resources at hand. Source for data: http://www.nfhs.org/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=4198 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 I'd say while Illinois best has a slight egde, that in a match up their best vs. our we can hold our own. However, at this point the main factor is that Illinois as a state has had much more depth than what we currently have in Indiana. However, the start of the topic was their top team vs. our top teams. The teams in that rankings have a long storied history of very talented teams and individual wrestlers. So, while it could be closer than some think, I would tend to lean towards their top 3 teams being stronger than ours. After you get past the top 3 though I would suspect an even showing among the other top IL teams vs. our IN teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Campbell Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 As far as the Logan regional, I try my best to stay up on the teams and wrestlers that feed into the Logan regional. We have had some very good wrestlers come from the Logan regional over they years, but my knowledge of the sport gos far beyond the Berries Gym in February. Keep an eye on my boy Devildog...Daniel Campbell 189 from Laf Harrison at the Logan regional...he may be headed to the USMC so he could be one of your favorites! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devildog47959 Posted December 25, 2010 Author Share Posted December 25, 2010 Keep an eye on my boy Devildog...Daniel Campbell 189 from Laf Harrison at the Logan regional...he may be headed to the USMC so he could be one of your favorites! lol Ill keep a look out! 189 seems to b pretty open this year, Id say Nethercutt who was a SSQ last yr at 171 from Pioneer will win the TL sectional. If your son wins the Jeff sectional these 2 should meet up in the regional final. I see your son is ranked #13 this year, how did he do last yr? Has he wrestled anybody ranked yet this season? Well good luck the rest of the yr! As far as the Corps go's I've always said that wrestlers make the best Marines! If he does decide to take the challenge to be one of ''The Few, The Proud'' I wish him the best of luck! I'm sure you take a lot of pride watching him win out on the mat, but I promise that if he earned the title Marine graduation day would be a day you would never forget and the pride you would feel would be unmatched. Semper FI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Campbell Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 It would be great to see him and Nethercutt in the finals, as they are great friends and have wrestled many many times in the past. As for the Corps, this is all small beans compared to that! But it is preparing him well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogoplata89 Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 Class wrestling drove Iowa State grad Dan Goebel to 3 NCAA championships, Olympic championships, world championships. It was classed high school wrestling which propelled his teams to 9 straight NCAA championships as coach of Iowa. Funny though, Dan Gable did the same thing....small world ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 Dan Gable won 2 NCAA championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUBjj171 Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 The point is that more participation in wrestling would help a lot and probably drive more boys to compete nationally in the off season. The only real problem is that multi-sport athletes are encouraged to jump from sport to sport. Maybe the wreslters in Illinois are picking one sport instead and doing more nationally. I know the Welch twins competed some stuff nationally and it put them back a little bit in baseball (their dad is the baseball coach and they are pretty good at that too). who knows, maybe there is something in the water over there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogoplata89 Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 Dan Gable won 2 NCAA championships. Oh yeah. But Dan Gobel won 3... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iowa Kid Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 I have to say Nickster90 if you are going to pimp Iowa...YOU have to spell Coach Gable's name correctly! You would probably see more of those Indiana boys nationally ranked if they would quit using legs as their primary offense on top! Watched Penn vs. Mishawaka on Broadcastsport.net and I have never seen so many leggers at one meet. Seldom see anyone run legs here in Iowa ...great to stall with but hard to score from...only see them as the result of a crazy scramble. My son's coach screams everytime one of his wrestlers starts to put a boot in... Also, wrestling is part of the culture here in Iowa, similar to how basketball is in Indiana...but instead of hoops on the sides of barns we have wrestling mats in basements. A simple mid week dual is a crazy spectacle with packed bleachers, cheerleaders and pep bands...its nuts. I do think the sport continues to grow in Indiana...I know both my nephews in Indiana live for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 South of Interstate 64 there is only one way to spell Goebel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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