Southern Single Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 There have been a few kids that are solid wrestles that have up and quit this year. Do you know of a solid wrestler that called it quit? I heard of these two: Case T.H. South Pike Bloomington South Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RankingsGuy Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 There have been a few kids that are solid wrestles that have up and quit this year. Do you know of a solid wrestler that called it quit? I know of these three: Jensen T.H. South Case T.H. South Pike Bloomington South Jensen has not quit, he will be wrestling soon per his head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Single Posted December 3, 2010 Author Share Posted December 3, 2010 Well there is an entire feed that is saying other wise that is why I made that statement, but I fixed it and what about Case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathews z7 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Jordan Robinson formerly of perry meridian and now at bloomington north i believe has hung em up and its a shame too cuz he is a stud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 My guess is that they get pushed too hard and get burned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneaker Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 GOOD COACHES ARE SUPPOSED TO PUSH AND SO ARE PARENTS. NEVER BELIEVED IN THAT BURNOUT STUFF,YOU EITHER LOVE IT AND ARE IN IT TO WIN IT OR YOU DONT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galagore Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 GOOD COACHES ARE SUPPOSED TO PUSH AND SO ARE PARENTS. NEVER BELIEVED IN THAT BURNOUT STUFF,YOU EITHER LOVE IT AND ARE IN IT TO WIN IT OR YOU DONT! I respectfully disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 I respectfully disagree When I push to hard I have blow outs not burn outs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randalllynch Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Question came up at a Chertow camp - his reply was preasure to drop weight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneaker Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 why disagree? first and foremost a kid must have his family support 100% and second a coach that will get the most out of a kid and a little more, that is the push. im talking about a kid with the aspiration to be a state champion will be one who is willing to go the extra mile because he loves the sport and likes winning. im not talking bout kids who are pushed into the sport by family or peer pressure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galagore Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 why disagree? first and foremost a kid must have his family support 100% and second a coach that will get the most out of a kid and a little more, that is the push. im talking about a kid with the aspiration to be a state champion will be one who is willing to go the extra mile because he loves the sport and likes winning. im not talking bout kids who are pushed into the sport by family or peer pressure I disagree because I think that a kid can want to achieve at the highest level, but get to the point that he thinks it isn't worth all of the sacrifices he's been called upon (by whomever is doing the calling) to make. That is what I consider burn-out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikev Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 i totally agree with the dropping weight issue......so many kids feel to much pressure to make weight that it affects their school work, social life and general peace of mind.....they end up hating wrestling cause they can never eat....especially thru the holidays......to many coaches put unrealistic goals on kids maintaining a weight that is really to low for them......that also affects their health which makes them feel bad and then it's no fun anymore.....sure you have the rare breed who loves it no matter what and has the mind set of a tank, but 99% of the kids are not that and will end their wrestling days when high school ends for them.....so whats the use in being miserable when high school is supposed to be fun?......as with any activity, it has to be somewhat enjoyable to keep teenagers interested......i know of a number of kids over the last few years that quit for this very reason....we all understand the thought behind getting as low as you can so you're the "bigger stronger" guy at that weight class, but are you?......did you lose so much weight (and alot of that is muscle), that you're no longer the stronger guy?.....wouldn't it be great if everyone just wrestled their regular weight?.....no cutting at all?.....i know that could never happen but how many more kids would stay out?......would it make a difference?...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneaker Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 wanting and doing are two different things. lots of kids want to win but are they willing to do what it takes to be a champion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikev Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 wanting and doing are two different things. lots of kids want to win but are they willing to do what it takes to be a champion? very well put.....and in my opinion, most really won't do what it takes even though they think they are....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirsch112 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 I love being pushed hard. You never know how far your body can take you enless you push it there and your own will power won't take you there, outside forces need to take controll. Thats just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edb41 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Burn out doesn't just come from being pushed in wrestling, kids have a lot of other things they are dealing with.........developing emotions, relationships, school, etc, etc. Often pushing too hard towards a sport causes them to be overwhelmed by other things. Every kid, parent, and coach are different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 How about our culture? We live in a culture that preaches gettin' yours for you and doing whatever it takes...whatever it takes to be happy and comfortable. We aren't often taught that the most rewarding experiences in life (sports, career, relationships, God, all of it) come through trial, perseverance, difficulty, and sweat. We shouldn't be surprised that kids coming into a counter-cultural sport like ours will often stop short of the finish line. They have a million other options for comfort and 'happiness' that are much easier to grab in the moment. The fruit that is a little higher up on the tree doesn't seem so appealing for picking when you're 16 years old in modern day America. I've seen kids get pushed too hard by parents trying to relive the glory days--it absolutely happens. But I've seen many more kids quit because it's too hard. And they almost all regret it later when they've matured a few years. I can't tell you how many guys my age I talked to after high school that said something along the lines of, 'What was I thinking?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PreparetoWin Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 When some kids turn 18 and go into the armed forces they will come back and say I am glad I was pushed so hard, I wouldnt havd made it without it....some kids return when they are older and say I am glad I got pushed to go the extra mile and didnt quit, I got the job I wanted because of it....some kids come back and say when times were tough I was mentally strong enough to deal with my son having cancer, I didnt give up...Some kids have come back and said I wish I would have continued, life isnt fair, easy, always full of fun and joy and I know testing myself in wrestling would have prepared me for life more than most things I did after I quit. Why are kids feeling pressured to go a certain weight??? They declare a weight, they compete at that weight and the season goes on. If they dont want to cut then dont cut, if you dont want to wrestle dont wrestle..life is all about personal choices, make them and go on..btw there is peer pressure in life too.. I am a big advocate that wreslting isnt for everyone, but if you start something you finish it, if you dont want to wrestle the next season dont start. Just some food for thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniderpanthers Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 I respectfully disagree i respectfully disagree. u either want to be a champ or dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galagore Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 i respectfully disagree. u either want to be a champ or dont. True. I think that much is obvious. That does not mean burn-out doesn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 I've just known people who have been wrestling since preschool and pressured to train year round and always push themselves. After 12+ years of that it became less of a joy and more of a job and they didn't get the same pleasure out of it they used to so they took a break for a year, sometimes forever. That's what I mean by burnout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrecoCoach Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 This is just one of the reasons I love Freestyle and Greco. Loved wrestling it and now love coaching it. Freestyle and Greco are a complete change of atmosphere in the wrestling room and at tournaments. The pressure is off, kids get a break from cutting weight, and it's just more relaxed. As a coach, I don't have to track kids down and find out why they're missing a practice. The ones who want to be there and want to improve are the ones who are at the club practices. "Burn-out" can happen with coaches, too. Some coaches put too much emphasis on folkstyle in the off-season. That just gets redundant and boring for the above-average wrestlers. These coaches completely miss the opportunities that Freestyle and Greco provide along with great number of benefits those styles can have on folkstyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PreparetoWin Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 boots...that can happen with anything in life, not just because they trained to hard in wrestling...it happens with work all the time. I think the term burn-out can be misused in many many cases. I have heard wrestlers claim burned out after 2 or 3 seasons..lol There is a fine line between burned out and just not having work ethic to continue. I my mind it takes years and years with no breaks to actually claim burn out. Many times people just dont want to do something anymore, that doesnt mean burn out per say...it could me they just grew to find they dont like it anymore for whatever reason. But when people throw the term burned out around it always makes me skeptical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Sobchak Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 A good thread for discussion. People quit for different reasons. I agree that weigh cutting sucks. But the current rules are followed there would be no weight cutting. 1.5% of your body weight per week is not cutting weight it is being disciplined. Too many kids try the easy way of starving themselves to get down rather than working their butts off. Here is my order of why good kids quit: 1. Pressure... most often self induced... when you first start and are not very good, no one notices, then you get good and people start to watch you more and expect you to win.... some kids just don't respond to this very well. 2. Girls.... there is not many other things in this world as powerful as that first experience with a girl... it can make us men do some very crazy things. 3. Lack of discipline: some kids just want an easy way and when they realize that nothing in wrestling is easy including the discipline it takes to become a champion they find something else to focus on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemOGuy Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 A good thread for discussion. People quit for different reasons. I agree that weigh cutting sucks. But the current rules are followed there would be no weight cutting. 1.5% of your body weight per week is not cutting weight it is being disciplined. Too many kids try the easy way of starving themselves to get down rather than working their butts off. Here is my order of why good kids quit: 1. Pressure... most often self induced... when you first start and are not very good, no one notices, then you get good and people start to watch you more and expect you to win.... some kids just don't respond to this very well. 2. Girls.... there is not many other things in this world as powerful as that first experience with a girl... it can make us men do some very crazy things. 3. Lack of discipline: some kids just want an easy way and when they realize that nothing in wrestling is easy including the discipline it takes to become a champion they find something else to focus on. Living situations/ Divorse stress of all that you have to have that counciling-family atmosphere from the coaches in tough times!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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