JoeDad Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Here is a brief history of all the proposals made to the IHSAA while I served as Secretary/Treasurer of the IHSWCA More info. later. JD Minch - IHSWCA S/T 1991-2011 IHSWCA HISTORY OF PROPOSALS TO THE IHSAA 2009 ITEMS OF CONCERN - NO PROPOSALS 1 - Start team scoring at the Sectional from the 1/4 finals 2 - Label 1st round winners at Team regional - Regional Champs & 2nd round winners - Semi-State Champs 3 - Advance the top 2 teams from Team Regional to the State 4 - Increase the number of wrestlers to weigh-in from 24 to 28 DURING team portion of tournament 2007 PROPOSALS 1- Utilizing wrestlebacks from the 1/4 finals of both the Regional & Semi-State levels 2005 PROPOSALS 1- Utilizing wrestlebacks from the 1/4 finals of both the Regional & Semi-State levels 2003 PROPOSALS 1 - Wrestlebacks to 3rd at regional level 2 - Wrestlebacks to 3rd place from 1/4 finals at semi-State level 3 - Wrestlebacks to 3rd place from 1/4 finals at State level 4 - Open roster for weighing in for the Dual Team competition 5 - Allow the IHSWCA to score, announce, & recognize the top 3 Teams of the Individual State 2001 PROPOSALS 1 - Dual Meet Tournament become a classed tournament following IHSAA guidelines 2 - Condense the 4 week individual tournament to a 3 week tournament 3 - A one pound weight allowance for the teams competing in the Team Regionals & Semi-States 1999 PROPOSALS 1 - Implementation of a state wide weight control program 2 - Dual Meet Tournament become a classed tournament following IHSAA guidelines 3 - Wrestlebacks to 3rd at regional level 4 - A one pound weight allowance for the teams competing in the Team Regionals & Semi-States 1997 PROPOSALS 1 - 16 man bracket at the Semi-State level 2 - Dual Meet Tournament become a classed tournament following IHSAA guidelines 3 - Allow the IHSWCA to recognize the most outstanding team preformance at the Individual State Tournament 4 - A one pound weight allowance for the teams competing in the Team Regionals & Semi-States 5 - Only one weigh-in at the Individual State Tournament 1995 PROPOSALS 1 - Certified actual weight established at a weigh-in prior to December 31st 2 - Allow a 2 lb. growth allowance on Saturday IHSAA week #28 3 - Wrestlebacks to 3rd at regional level 4 - Rescind the NFHS weight classes of 1994-95 and establish the following 103,112,119,125,130,135,140,145.152,160,185,215,&275 1993 PROPOSALS 1 - Establish an all inclusive Dual Meet State Tournament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDad Posted November 23, 2010 Author Share Posted November 23, 2010 Here is a complete history of the IHSWCA Officers: YEAR PRESIDENT VICE PRESIDENT SECRETARY/TREASURER 2010-11 Cale Hoover - Center Grove Trent McCormick - Yorktown J.D. Minch - North Montgomery 2009-10 Cale Hoover - Center Grove Trent McCormick - Yorktown J.D. Minch - North Montgomery 2008-09 Barry Humble - New Haven Cale Hoover - Center Grove J.D. Minch - North Montgomery 2007-08 Barry Humble - New Haven Cale Hoover - Center Grove J.D. Minch - North Montgomery 2006-07 Bob Harmon - Castle Barry Humble - New Haven J.D. Minch - North Montgomery 2005-06 Bob Harmon - Castle Barry Humble - New Haven J.D. Minch - North Montgomery 2004-05 Tom Miller - Lafayette Jeff Bob Harmon - Castle J.D. Minch - North Montgomery 2003-04 Tom Miller - Lafayette Jeff Bob Harmon - Castle J.D. Minch - North Montgomery 2002-03 David Cloud - Pendleton Hts Tom Miller - Lafayette Jeff J.D. Minch - North Montgomery 2001-02 David Cloud - Pendleton Hts Tom Miller - Lafayette Jeff J.D. Minch - North Montgomery 2000-01 Ed Fox - FW Carroll David Cloud - Pendleton Heights J.D. Minch - North Montgomery 1999-2000 Ed Fox - FW Carroll David Cloud - Pendleton Heights J.D. Minch - North Montgomery 1998-99 Rex Peckinpaugh - New Castle Ed Fox - FW Carroll J.D. Minch - North Montgomery 1997-98 Rex Peckinpaugh - New Castle Ed Fox - FW Carroll J.D. Minch - North Montgomery 1996-97 Tom Miller - Tri-Central Rex Peckinpaugh - New Castle J.D. Minch - North Montgomery 1995-96 Tom Miller - Tri-Central Rex Peckinpaugh - New Castle J.D. Minch - North Montgomery 1994-95 John Cook - Valparaiso Tom Miller - Tri-Central J.D. Minch - North Montgomery 1993-94 John Cook - Valparaiso Tom Miller - Tri-Central J.D. Minch - North Montgomery 1992-93 Tom Cameron - Merrillville John Cook - Valparaiso J.D. Minch - North Montgomery 1991-92 Tom Cameron - Merrillville John Cook - Valparaiso J.D. Minch - North Montgomery 1990-91 Tom Cameron - Merrillville John Cook - Valparaiso J.D. Minch - North Montgomery 1989-90 Wiley Craft - Lawrence Central Tom Cameron - Merrillville John Cook - Valparaiso 1988-89 Wiley Craft - Lawrence Central Tom Cameron - Merrillville John Cook - Valparaiso 1987-88 Al Smith - Mishawaka Wiley Craft - Lawrence Central Tom Cameron - Merrillville 1986-87 Al Smith - Mishawaka Wiley Craft - Lawrence Central Tom Cameron - Merrillville 1985-86 Jim Arvin - Indpls. Howe Al Smith - Mishawaka Wiley Craft - Lawrence Central 1984-85 Jim Arvin - Indpls. Howe Al Smith - Mishawaka Wiley Craft - Lawrence Central 1983-84 John Hurrle - Indpls. Tech Jim Arvin - Indpls. Howe Al Smith - Mishawaka 1982-83 John Hurrle - Indpls. Tech Jim Arvin - Indpls. Howe Al Smith - Mishawaka 1981-82 Pete McNamara - Beech Grove John Hurrle - Indpls. Tech Jim Arvin - Indpls. Howe 1980-81 Pete McNamara - Beech Grove John Hurrle - Indpls. Tech Jim Arvin - Indpls. Howe 1979-80 Al Smith - Mishawaka Pete McNamara - Beech Grove John Hurrle - Indpls. Tech 1978-79 Al Smith - Mishawaka Pete McNamara - Beech Grove John Hurrle - Indpls. Tech 1977-78 Joe Patacsil - Logansport Al Smith - Mishawaka Pete McNamara - Beech Grove 1976-77 Joe Patacsil - Logansport Al Smith - Mishawaka Pete McNamara - Beech Grove 1975-76 Al Morgan - Warren Central Joe Patacsil - Logansport Al Smith - Mishawaka 1974-75 Al Morgan - Warren Central Joe Patacsil - Logansport Al Smith - Mishawaka 1973-74 Al Morgan - Warren Central Morgan filled in for Carnahan Joe Patacsil - Logansport 1972-73 Carl Carnahan - Crown Point Al Morgan - Warren Central Joe Patacsil - Logansport 1971-72 Keith Farrand - North Central Carl Carnahan - Crown Point Al Morgan - Warren Central 1970-71 Keith Farrand - North Central Carl Carnahan - Crown Point Al Morgan - Warren Central 1969-70 Phil Thrasher - New Albany Keith Farrand - North Central Carl Carnahan - Crown Point 1968-69 Phil Thrasher - New Albany Keith Farrand - North Central Carl Carnahan - Crown Point 1967-68 Rollie Hoover - Elkhart Phil Thrasher - New Albany Keith Farrand - North Central 1966-67 Rollie Hoover - Elkhart Phil Thrasher - New Albany Keith Farrand - North Central 1965-66 Clifford Meyers - Bloomington Rollie Hoover - Elkhart Phil Thrasher - New Albany 1964-65 Clifford Meyers - Bloomington Rollie Hoover - Elkhart Phil Thrasher - New Albany 1963-64 Chauncy McDaniel - Southport Clifford Meyers - Bloomington Rollie Hoover - Elkhart 1962-63 Chauncy McDaniel - Southport Clifford Meyers - Bloomington Rollie Hoover - Elkhart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Y2CJ41 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 JD, Thanks for the history, I have a few questions on a few of the items. Could you give us more details on the following 2001 1 - Dual Meet Tournament become a classed tournament following IHSAA guidelines *How many classes and how was the structure? 2 - Condense the 4 week individual tournament to a 3 week tournament *How would you condense the current tournament? 1999 2 - Dual Meet Tournament become a classed tournament following IHSAA guidelines *Again how many classes and the structure of it 1997 2 - Dual Meet Tournament become a classed tournament following IHSAA guidelines *Same as above I am curious how the previous class proposals were formatted so that we can see what the IHSAA likes and/or dislikes. Knowing this will help out in the future. Also where the votes all 0-15 or were some of the board members in favor of these proposals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharmon01 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 First - Thanks JD for all the time you have put in to trying to improve wrestling in Indiana. Alot of people don't realize how much you have done for Indiana wrestling and how badly you will be missed as an IHSWCA officer. Second- The bottom line is the IHSAA didn't vote in favor of class for wrestling because they were not ready to class all the other individual sports. If the IHSAA wants to class all individual sports then it will class wrestling, but not until then. If one goes class they will all go class. They were not infavor of classing individual sports at the time of our proposals - team sports only. They like to say wrestling is an individual sport, not team, when it benefits their stand against class for wrestling Like I stated in another thread - track is going to propose class this year (2 classes). I have also heard that the IHSAA may be more willing to listen to class for individual sports. I didn't say they would do it, just they may be a little more willing to listen. They also really like our Individual State Tournament and don't want to change it. They think it has been very successful and don't want to do something that they think might hurt it. It doesn't matter which individual sport proposes class it will not happen until the IHSAA wants individual sports classed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 What is track proposing? Are they proposing it for team only or for individual too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 2001 1 - Dual Meet Tournament become a classed tournament following IHSAA guidelines 2 - Condense the 4 week individual tournament to a 3 week tournament I'm guessing these two were proposed in the idea that that would compliment each other. If we ever were to go to a 3 class individual tournament I would say we would only need 3 weeks to complete the individual event since it would involve less teams. This could then help open up an additional week to complete the team state portion of the event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 I'm guessing these two were proposed in the idea that that would compliment each other. If we ever were to go to a 3 class individual tournament I would say we would only need 3 weeks to complete the individual event since it would involve less teams. This could then help open up an additional week to complete the team state portion of the event. If we go to a two class system we can cut it down to three weeks. Two class setup for each class 16- 8-12 team sectionals with top 4 advancing 4- 16 person regionals 1- 12-16 person state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharmon01 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 I believe track is proposing both individual and team for 2 classes. If the majority of the IHSWCA wants to propose class for individual or team they would have to show the IHSAA that a majority of the association was in favor of it. They told us they looked for 95-100% as a majority. This is why we did the survey at the sectional seeding meeting to get all coaches and schools polled. We did this because they told us that the IHSWCA didn't represent all the coaches because not all were members and Bobby would make comments that "There were only 100 coaches at the clinic when the proposal was decided on. The problem is even when we used our polls from the sectional seeding meeting and had over 90% of members in favor - it didn't matter we still lost at the Executive Board vote. We hurt ourselves by not being members and not attending the fall and spring clinic. We hurt ourselves fighting on this board and they do look at this board. Bobby over the years has made comments about things said on here or the old web site. Their favorite thing to say is "You wrestling coaches don't know what you want." The IHSAA will want to see a plan for class wrestling 2-3 classes. They told us they like 2 classes to start and then increase as needed. The IHSAA will want to see that there are enough schools (Principals and ADs) willing to host these events. The IHSAA will want to see that there are enough officials to cover these events. That was always something Bobby said "We almost don't have enough officials to cover the tournament now." The IHSAA will want to know the cost to them - travel expenses, facility expenses, official expenses and support staff expense. What is the debt/profit margin? You will need to find some Principals and ADs that will speak up and support class wrestling at the IHSAA Board meeting. I have been told they are happy with the individual tournament and don't want to change it except go back to the old way of scoring it and drop the team dual tournament. The only way I see wrestling going class is if the IHSAA wants to do it - not that the wrestling coaches want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyt Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 When I last talked to Cox by phone he did seem more receptive when talking class. He brought up that we were unique and therefore may have something to talk about. We did not get any further because I did not feel like I am the voice of the Ihswca so I left it there. He did say he would like to talk more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDad Posted December 1, 2010 Author Share Posted December 1, 2010 Very good questions and very good answers - explanations. Without a doubt the IHSAA will do what they feel is best for their association. There are IHSAA guidelines in place for classing any sport. It was used for all the TEAM sports that are classed. Based solely on enrollment and number of teams that participate. Convincing the IHSAA Executive Board that wrestling is a little bit different animal will have to come from PRINCIPALS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDad Posted December 11, 2010 Author Share Posted December 11, 2010 Does anyone know of a Principal currently on the IHSAA Executive Board who has a son wrestling in Jr. High? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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