AJ Posted March 3, 2010 Author Share Posted March 3, 2010 The more newspapers and websites that have kids names earlier in their career, the more contact is possible. we have a big problem in Indiana with simply turning in results to the local paper or posting them on the states wrestling website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theckman Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 And this is all on a thread called "hijacked threads by AJ....." Where's a hijack Nazi when you need one? LOL.....I agree......I posted something like that on a different thread.....it didn't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munges Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 The one thing I do not understand is how is a small school athlete at so much of a disadvantage than say someon at Mishawaka? You say they do not get the recognition until they are seniors. How about kids from Mater Dei who cannot crakc the line up until their senior year and make state. If you are at a powerhouse school you still might be better than the small school kid but you can't crack the line up. How are we going to be fare to them? Get them the recognition before their junior or senior year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimtown 138 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 The one thing I do not understand is how is a small school athlete at so much of a disadvantage than say someon at Mishawaka? You say they do not get the recognition until they are seniors. How about kids from Mater Dei who cannot crakc the line up until their senior year and make state. If you are at a powerhouse school you still might be better than the small school kid but you can't crack the line up. How are we going to be fare to them? Get them the recognition before their junior or senior year. Munges, you know you're throwing a big monkey wrench into this world stopping debate... ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 The one thing I do not understand is how is a small school athlete at so much of a disadvantage than say someon at Mishawaka? You say they do not get the recognition until they are seniors. How about kids from Mater Dei who cannot crakc the line up until their senior year and make state. If you are at a powerhouse school you still might be better than the small school kid but you can't crack the line up. How are we going to be fare to them? Get them the recognition before their junior or senior year. What does the current system do for them that a class system wouldn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munges Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 What does the current system do for them that a class system wouldn't? Nothing but if we are concerned about small school kids getting exposure before their junior or senior year how is that "fair" to the other kids. If it is about giving equal chances to all kids, then there are kids at big scools then that are not getting their chances. It the attitude of fairness do something for them now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Nothing but if we are concerned about small school kids getting exposure before their junior or senior year how is that "fair" to the other kids. If it is about giving equal chances to all kids, then there are kids at big scools then that are not getting their chances. It the attitude of fairness do something for them now. Well then I will make you the head of "Getting JV Kids at Big Schools Exposure" team. You are talking about "helping" 25 kids a year at most, while I am talking about helping 2000... yeah lets work on those 25 first..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duck_and_run Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 You claim we will have more recognition if we class the sport. You also claim that teams will fill more rosters and everything else because of teams and individual success. I say you are wrong and changes to Indiana wrestling have proven that. Every change we have made to the state tournment the past 10 years have been to give wrestlers the opportunity to compete furthur into the tournement. Has this risen the number of wrestlers? Has attendance risen? Has this risen the number of Indiana college wrestlers? SO we added 32 extra wrestlers per weight class out of sectionals and 16 morewrestlers per weight class out of regionals and recognition has not went up and your still complaining that we haven't added enough wrestlers. When will it stop Y2. I personally liked it better when making it to regionals was an achievement, but I can handle taking away regionals and semi state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdanteague Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 You claim we will have more recognition if we class the sport. You also claim that teams will fill more rosters and everything else because of teams and individual success. I say you are wrong and changes to Indiana wrestling have proven that. Every change we have made to the state tournment the past 10 years have been to give wrestlers the opportunity to compete furthur into the tournement. Has this risen the number of wrestlers? Has attendance risen? Has this risen the number of Indiana college wrestlers? SO we added 32 extra wrestlers per weight class out of sectionals and 16 morewrestlers per weight class out of regionals and recognition has not went up and your still complaining that we haven't added enough wrestlers. When will it stop Y2. I personally liked it better when making it to regionals was an achievement, but I can handle taking away regionals and semi state. When do pre season rankings come out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimtown 138 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Let just have a poll, "Class/no class" and see where that takes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Let just have a poll, "Class/no class" and see where that takes it. It won't matter the people that have the power to change the system are the IHSAA, coaches and principals. Not fans, parents or wrestlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENoblewrestling Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Speaking of coaches having some power to change the situation, do you know when the results from the IHSWCA survey are coming out? That will give us a real insite on the coaches thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimtown 138 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 It won't matter the people that have the power to change the system are the IHSAA, coaches and principals. Not fans, parents or wrestlers. I understand that it's not in our hands. It's just the amount of negative discussion on the board, about something that's not going to change seems useless. I guess some people just like pissing matches... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBolt Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Thats it...I am taking this thread to Cuba...Don't anyone move or try to be a hero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theckman Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Now, in this pissing match....are talking accuracy, quantity, distance? A combination? How about something like the biathalon.....drink for a while, then piss, more drinking, more pissing..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted March 3, 2010 Author Share Posted March 3, 2010 My issue with the class argument is that of more exposure. If more exposure then more kids will get the opportunity to wrestle in the lower divisions at college. I looked at the rosters of some of the DII and DIII schools in Indiana to compare the number of Indiana wrestlers on their rostrer and the number of Indiana basketball players on their roster. Before gathering this data my hypothesis was that there would be a greater number/percentage of basketball players on the teams because class sports brings more exposure. Wabash 85 % of bball roster from IN 70% of wrestling roster from IN Mancester 83% bball roster from IN 80% wrestling roster from IN Trine 33% bball roster from IN 61% wrestling roster from IN University of Indianapolis 67% bball roster from IN 79% wrestling roster from IN Purdue (I was just curious) 76% bball roster from IN 52 % wrestlers on roster from IN I know walk ons will skew this data, and I am not sure how much, however I did think I would see a higher disparity in the percentage of IN athletes on the rosters. This doesnt prove anything because like I said, the data will be skewed because I do not have all the information, however I will repeat that I thought the percentages would still have a greater disparity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimtown 138 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Now, in this pissing match....are talking accuracy, quantity, distance? A combination? How about something like the biathalon.....drink for a while, then piss, more drinking, more pissing..... All of the above! There you go hijackin' again AJ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted March 3, 2010 Author Share Posted March 3, 2010 All of the above! There you go hijackin' again AJ... sorry, its a curse and a gift..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theckman Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Now, in this pissing match....are talking accuracy, quantity, distance? A combination? How about something like the biathalon.....drink for a while, then piss, more drinking, more pissing..... How about we petition the Olympic committee to have it included int the next Summer Olympics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimtown 138 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 How about we petition the Olympic committee to have it included int the next Summer Olympics? Bring it on man! I can't wait to hear the US National Anthem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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