RankingsGuy Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 i've had this idea for awhile, i want to start this topic as a place for all of you to ask me questions about why someone is ranked a certain place, or not at all. there is a method to my madness, and i think this would be a healthy discussion. fire away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clive2246 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Could you start by listing all of the criteria you use when deciding to rank someone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clive2246 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Also....if someone drops a weight class and I noticed a few that did, how do you decide where to rank them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RankingsGuy Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 great question clive.. in the beginning of the season i just started with every returning state qualifier (and at the weights where there weren't many i used ticket round guys) and put them at their new weight classes for this season. as the season progressed, i would see results of these kids, and use first head to head, then margin of victory, and then previous state experience to sort out from there. when a kid decides to drop a weight, that is a different scenario...obviously in the case of a brandon wright, he beat eppert so he's number one. but in the case of will sheets who was struggling at 130, he got ranked higher at 125 b/c he placed 4th at that same weight class last yr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearless fly Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Oh Oh... I have one. How does an injury affect your rankings? ff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clive2246 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Good one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RankingsGuy Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 an injury or an inability to make weight pulls a wrestler back down to my "watch list" which consists of the next 8 to 10 guys to fill in the rankings at each weight which i do not post. as soon as the wrestler is back in action, he goes back in his appropriate spt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSBeatReporter Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 If a guy moves up a weightclass and loses, how does that affect him? Also, if a guy were to say win all but two matches and those were to ranked guys would you rank him higher than a guy that is undefeated against no ranked opponents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadet130 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Did I help influence this topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RankingsGuy Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 If a guy moves up a weightclass and loses, how does that affect him? Also, if a guy were to say win all but two matches and those were to ranked guys would you rank him higher than a guy that is undefeated against no ranked opponents? t0 answer your first question, i would say that it depends on where both are in the rankings. a top caliber kid at 152 for example should not be losing to an unranked 160 pounder. however, a kid who is towards the bottom of the rankings at a weight class may struggle with someone in a similar position at the weight above. to answer your second question, kids are definitely not penalized for wrestling a strong schedule. look at blake roytek for example. no "quality wins" for example, but his close matches with the top guys show me that he will beat a kid that may have a better record but not have wrestled anybody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royboy74 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I think Hodges started the season ranked behind Graber at 189. Then he went to 215 and was ranked 2nd behind Baker. Then he lost to Cleveland and moved to 3rd at 215. Now he has apparently moved to 189 where he is now ranked 2nd ahead of Graber who is to my knowledge still undefeated. So how did that happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2016GrecoGold Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 If a ranked guy beats several ranked guys but has one bad match and loses against someone who isn't ranked what do you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RankingsGuy Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 Did I help influence this topic? yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RankingsGuy Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 I think Hodges started the season ranked behind Graber at 189. Then he went to 215 and was ranked 2nd behind Baker. Then he lost to Cleveland and moved to 3rd at 215. Now he has apparently moved to 189 where he is now ranked 2nd ahead of Graber who is to my knowledge still undefeated. So how did that happen? Graber's less than impressive win (5-2) over unranked Brett Worden who didn't place very high at the Al Smith, coupled with Hodges' close match at 215 with Cleveland at the Traicoff was enough to move Hodges past Graber at 189 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Do you "punish" wrestlers who do not have as tough of a schedule as others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RankingsGuy Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 If a ranked guy beats several ranked guys but has one bad match and loses against someone who isn't ranked what do you do? this actually came up when i was ranking kieffer at 112 who has some nice wins and a state medal but was defensively pinned by unranked fisher from martinsville. what i do is normally drop the kid down if there are kids in the same "tier" as him, which normally drops him down a couple of places, i have divisions of tiers that i also do not post. from there, if he continues to pick up quality wins he'll move back up, but i definitely pay closer attention to him and more losses will drop him down farther Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadet130 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Do you "punish" wrestlers who do not have as tough of a schedule as others? Yes, he does! haha I'm am gonna have a great time with this topic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadet130 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Now that we are in the month of January, how much does LAST YEARS performance weigh on your decisions as to whether a wrestler should be ranked or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RankingsGuy Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 Do you "punish" wrestlers who do not have as tough of a schedule as others? no, in those cases i go to previous state experience and consider the strength of their semi state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 How do you weigh the time of the loss? i.e a loss in mid December vs. a loss in early January? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RankingsGuy Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 Now that we are in the month of January, how much does LAST YEARS performance weigh on your decisions as to whether a wrestler should be ranked or not? It is only used as a guideline, and as you see, several kids with no state experience in the rankings.. However, for a kid to go from say a 7-22 record last year to being ranked in the state this year is kind of far fetched, so it all depends on the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearless fly Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 How come you don't rank guys who have already graduated like the ranking guy on the other board? ff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RankingsGuy Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 How do you weigh the time of the loss? i.e a loss in mid December vs. a loss in early January? newest results take precendence, but the old results are never thrown out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 How come you don't rank guys who have already graduated like the ranking guy on the other board? ff I actually laughed out loud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RankingsGuy Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 How come you don't rank guys who have already graduated like the ranking guy on the other board? ff haha, not going to touch that one with KING REX lurking over here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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