base

Coach Brown used to help out with the Humphrey family wrestling clinics - he was a wonderful person and the kids really gravitated to his gentle, laughing personality.  We would run into him years later at wrestling meets and he was always quick with a greeting and would want to know how things were going for our wrestlers. To read that he was caught up in such a senseless act of violence is just so heartbreaking.  I am glad they have caught the perpetrator although no justice can offset this loss.  Rest in Heaven coach Brown - you were a great man!

Always helps to see examples - is there an easy way to sort this year's end-of-year state + semistate rankings into the classes and see some of the names each class would have had as the favorites going into the postseason tournament?

I liked the Zionsville singlets with the stars and stripes on the back

11 hours ago, 1prouddad said:

Having finally met some face to face, I'd rather not. 

 

Country song lyrics for "Disappointed" - written by ChatGPT and including your line

(Verse 1)

In this small town bar, where dreams come to die,

I stumbled upon your gaze, caught in your sigh.

Thought you were the one, my heart held the plot,

Having finally met some face to face, I'd rather not.

(Chorus) Disappointed in love, like a worn-out song,

Whiskey-soaked sorrows, where did I go wrong?

You were the promise, now just a faded thought,

Having finally met some face to face, I'd rather not.

(Verse 2) Neon lights flicker, shadows on the wall,

Memories of us, like leaves in the fall.

Your smile was a map, now it's all forgot,

Having finally met some face to face, I'd rather not.

(Chorus) Disappointed in love, like a worn-out song,

Whiskey-soaked sorrows, where did I go wrong?

You were the promise, now just a faded thought,

Having finally met some face to face, I'd rather not.

(Bridge) Broken pieces of a heart, scattered on the floor,

The jukebox playing, can't take it no more.

The dance we started, now a painful waltz,

Having finally met some face to face, it's my fault.

(Verse 3) Dusty boots, lonely road, a cowboy's fate,

I'll ride into the sunset, leave love to its state.

No more second chances, no lessons to be taught,

Having finally met some face to face, I'd rather not.

(Chorus) Disappointed in love, like a worn-out song,

Whiskey-soaked sorrows, where did I go wrong?

You were the promise, now just a faded thought,

Having finally met some face to face, I'd rather not.

(Outro) So here I am, beneath the moonlit sky,

Searching for answers, wondering why.

Love's a gamble, a game I forgot,

Having finally met some face to face, I'd rather not.

I think he was telling Caliboy to go sit in timeout for a while and think about what he'd said

Wrestlebacks would help but keep in mind that no matter what fix you try to add, there are still going to be situations where a higher seeded person is stuck close to 2 other highly seeded individuals geographically and therefore will end up with a bad draw somehow.  There could theoretically be the top 5 seeds in the state at the same sectional, where there is no way to "change the system" so that they all can be state placers

• Final tournaments are setup geographically by the IHSAA, not by skill level or seeding
• Individuals change year to year, what may seem like a ridiculous sectional group of teams now may not be in another 10 years, or perhaps wasn't 10 years ago.  IHSAA is not going to schedule based on the prevailing winds
• Seeding is impressively accurate, but is only a subjective number assigned by knowledgeable individuals.  It is not 100% and should not be considered as anything more than a reference.  A #2 and a #5 seed may sound like a large gap, but in reality if the two have not wrestled before than the #5 could be better
• On any given day, wrestling is a sport where upsets CAN happen. It is not IHSAA job to penalize the underdog that has won, or to consider how the "favorite" should deserve another chance

Yes, it's personal because they are our kids.  Yes, we want to see the best kids represented at state finals.  Just remember that for every wrestler that you think "should" be there, there is a wrestler that "shouldn't" be there in your opinion but has earned their way by winning against the opponents placed in front of them

Let's celebrate the warriors that are still standing.  It may not be the best system, but it's what we have.  Imperfect yet beautiful

Will this be televised?

"Get to your Belly"

"FIGHT IT!!!!!"  when your kid is getting pinned and is in obvious excruciating pain

and the omnipresent (at kids meets at least) "HALF!!!"

Oh, also at kids meet - "LOOK AWAY!"

I also like when a kid is working like hell to not get turned, has his arms and maybe legs completely locked up and the crowd is yelling "STALLING ON BOTTOM!" 

This is a great thread, lots of great memories and I can just hear coaches and parents yelling all these

When there is a surplus of referees, then it's fair to criticize and ask for better options.  Until then, be thankful that these people are willing to give up their Saturday or weekday evening to help the show go on for the kids.  I'm not a referee but I know that it's a very thankless job with relatively low pay and constant complaining.  Maybe this gentleman had knee issues or even replacements - until you know someone's story just remember that they are not out there saving lives they are just calling an amateur contest and nearly volunteering their time

One piece I'll add here.  Boxing is still huge money, but now mostly only appeals to boxing fans.  Common citizen probably can't name even 1 or 2 boxers if asked.

One of the things that fueled the success in the 1970s was the public availability to the sport.  If a wrestling league like this was to be successful, my opinion is that you would want to bring back a "Wide World of Sports" type atmosphere and try to broadcast it on Sunday afternoon, if possible on a network station.  Sure, you would lose a lot of viewers to NFL, but even they may flip over on breaks to see what the sport is about.  If the rules are clear, it rewards aggressiveness and offense, and matches are fairly quick then it could get some audience

This is pretty cool - reminds me of chess ratings

Will be interesting to see how PIN-rated athletes fare versus the brackets, of course wrestling will vary wildly more than chess would based on physical/mental state of both competing athletes

Among the Juniors, Pennsylvania and Iowa had the most entries (no surprise there).  I was surprised to see Idaho with as many entries as Indiana

@QuinnHarris after your sucessful season at Cascade - are you sitting a year out, do you have a place in mind, or are you waiting for other opportunities to open up?

Seems as if college sports is just becoming the wild west - unfettered free agency year-to-year.

• Will we see a college athlete compete 4 years for 4 different teams?
• Will a college athlete make more money in a single season than any pro athlete at his/her sport?
• What is really the point of wrestling a dual against Penn State this season - with their additions nobody will stand a chance to even keep it close.  So teams roll out their backups, or else Penn State rests their starters for most of the duals and saves them for the postseason
• I do believe, however, that this may lead to the near-top tier wrestlers opting for other schools than the elite.  What would be the point of committing (*REALLY committing - like planning to attend 4 years) to Penn State, only to have your spot in the lineup taken by a one-year transfer to "fill out their lineup"

For a takedown, you score points inversely proportional to the difference in enrollments of the two schools

Small school takes down big school = 6-8 points

Big school takes down small school = 0.3 - 1.9 points

Referees will have a wrist calculator and a small abacus attached at the waist with a bungee cord

Wow that is a wild story!  Thankfully he is young and has a great attitude which should help him to recover from this

12 hours ago, LJB said:

it means nothing if he is not on the U20 world team bringing home medals in 6 months...

 

but...

 

it is a step in the right direction...

 

That was a beautiful throw your son accomplished - then followed it with the turns!  Congratulations!

Incredible victory by Ramos and Purdue!  Has to be up there among the greatest upsets in NCAA ever.  It seems clear that Ramos (who nearly lost 2 rounds earlier) had prepared specifically to face Lee.

By the way, discussion on this is on the College Wrestling forum

Ramos got a takedown with 10 seconds left in 2OT and down a point. Huge win

great win for Rooks over a very tough Henson!  Also fantastic job to advance for Purdue’s Filius!

hopefully Washington and Coleman can fight back through the consi rds 

For the heck of it, trying to pick a complete lineup that nobody else has chosen.  Could be disastrous  but hey will be fun for me and will give me interest in some other matches

125 #6 Stevo Poulin - Northern Colorado (remember the old YouTube videos of him stomping around as a little kid with the mohawk??)

133 #1 RBY - Penn State (surprised nobody has chosen him)

141 #1 Real Woods - Iowa

149 #4 Caleb Henson - Virginia Tech

157 #6 Daniel Cardenas - Stanford

165  #13 Alex Facundo - Penn State  ## WILDCARD

174 #18 Tate Picklo - Oklahoma

184 #10 Travis Wittlake - Oklahoma State

197 #3 Rocky Elam - Missouri

285 #10 Zach Elam - Missouri (wanted Mason here, but couldn't make it work with my other weights - can't believe nobody has picked him yet!)

Good luck and go Purdue/IU and Indiana boys!

16 hours ago, mcnorthcarolina said:

So what do you do when a program falls apart? When the long time coach leaves and the result is a total decline of the program and your kid seems to have a future in the sport? Do you waste HS years waiting for it to improve or go where winners are produced? Not every coach or every AD has the ability or the means to get your kid to the next level and I'm sure most of the transfers it is a mutual decision between parents and coaching staff. If I can provide my child with opportunities to  achieve his goals I'm surely going to do it and have done everything you mentioned in your post. So far with results that have exceeded my expectations.

Flip side of this is the kid that grew up in the school system and now after all their hard work, has to take a seat because the superstar moved in.  We focus so much time on the top talent and forget about the blue-collar types that are putting the work in and waiting to get their shot

125 - Lee

133 - Bravo Young

141 - Woods

149 - Sasso

157 - Haines

165 - Amine

175 - Starocci

184 - Brooks

197 - Dean

Hwt - MASON PARRIS

I bounced between different mat commentaries depending on the matches I was focusing on, but want to commend this years announcing staff - all mats were entertaining and informative. I don’t want a mindless drone repeating what I can see myself, I like to hear their perspective on how the match is going and what the strategy may be for wrestlers. Keep it up gentlemen!  I heard at least one Ric Flair WOOOOOOO at an exciting point in a match and although Vin Scully might frown at that emotion, I liked it

Mat 1 & 3 both were good so far

I like Mat 4 announcer - Nick Hull maybe?  Some good wrestling knowledge sprinkled in with good ongoing commentary

Haven't given Mat 2 a listen yet

Flo has their Quad Box option.  All 4 mats at once, choose which to listen to.  Fantastic option for those that couldn't make it to Indy!

Who are the announcers on each mat?

Which is the best mat to listen to?

If you have streaming issues - put them on this thread

Weingart v Kendrex should be a great matchup