wildcatcountry97

Also, I think some of these 'big high-risk' moves are getting more popular as a direct result of society. Wrestling is not immune. Folks want all the glory without doing the work. And they want to have a built-in excuse if they lose. Using big high-risk moves serves both purposes. Kids want big pins, big points, big victories, glamour, attention, etc. They want it immediately and it's way more cool to pull these flashy moves in a match than to hit a sprawl, cross face, and battle someone to a 3-2 victory you can win 10 out of 10 times. Also, if you lose, you can say - 'hey, I was a far superior wrestler, I just got caught.' Again, not particularly about this match at all. I'm speaking in general about high-risk moves gaining popularity. They do have their place, and they can be done correctly and effectively. It can also help someone win a match that is far inferior to a better wrestler,. But, if you are the better wrestler, I would say it's advisable to wrestler mistake-free, low-risk, and hit the technique you have practiced. (How many times at practice have you practice sprawling ? How many times in practice do you practice Spladles? - If you equally practice both then go ahead, but if you're looking to hit moves you haven't practiced in place of solid technique you are taking a significant risk and over time that probability of success isn't in your favor.) I'm with ya maligned.

Mustang is correct. Kids use this as a lazy way out instead of a proper defense. It's like a basketball team not playing defense and shooting 3-pointers all game. Sure, you might win, but as an effective long term strategy it's garbage. As a move, it certainly does have it's place if applied properly. However, it is extremely high risk, so if you don't need the high-reward result, it's not worth the risk. If you're losing and there's 30 seconds left, or your team needs a 6 - then sure. But if you are in the state tournament and winning the match, probably not worth the risk. (Didn't see this match in particular though) Maligned - You are probably correct that that match may have brought that move to a greater audience, but it was certainly around prior to that. I have old University Technique Books from early the early 80's breaking this move down step-by-step, although it often uses a different nomenclature.

Well, there are plenty of ways. Perhaps you should read a book, attend a camp, or watch all the fine wrestling that the BTN has to offer. Here is one small example of how one might get 'caught' in a cradle:

By the way. For those suggesting that we just move on from the Olympics, cough-fabio-cough, here is the mission statement from USA Wrestling. USA Wrestling, guided by the Olympic Spirit, provides quality opportunities for its members to achieve their full human and athletic potential.

You need 100,000 signatures to get an official response. If nothing else it may help with a little publicity. Someone started this yesterday and it has 20,000 already. I figure if Obama can't create any jobs, maybe he an at least save wrestling.

I think he just misspelled 'week' and is trying to play it off. He must have gone to school with Fabio. Anway if we are posting random words I'll submit: Seafaring.

Y2 Agreement – Recovery Groups. A Brighter Future. Agreeing with Y2 and depression are certainly the terrible twosome. They occur together about two-thirds of the time and almost 60% of our poll respondents said the same. The research on depression and Y2 agreement tells us that Y2 agreement causes depression and that depression causes Y2 agreement. Both of these make sense from an experiential point of view. When we get stressed out many people respond by slowing down. When we get depressed we often agree with Y2.

FILA should have made more noise - and let the wrestling community know this may be a possibility. The publicity and public outcry may have helped prevent this rather than everyone trying to save a sinking ship on its way down. I have to agree with Andy F. The rules changes killed freestyle and greco, but the reason for many of these changes appeared to be, again, American dominance. If you'll notice every time the Americans began to succeed, the rules were changed to suit Europeans. "lets hope budweiser heads prevail" I'm making the signature on my work emails.

“Some of the comments on here by anonymous people claiming what he does and doesnt deserve is probably the greatest thing I have ever read “ Further proof of the continuing decline of the American education system. For your own personal growth I might recommend: Charles Dickens, Dante Alighieri, Jane Austen, Emily Brontë, Geoffrey Chaucer, Dostoevsky, or Tolstoy

As much as it pains me, I have to agree with Y2. What do you mean Nick? Why can’t the worlds be the pinnacle? Well, because it’s not the Olympics. Joe nailed that post about the ISWA. I don’t really understand your solution. Are you suggesting every time we have a battle we just move on. Oh, we are out of the Olympics, let’s just focus on the worlds then. I guess when Arizona State was dropping the wrestling program your solution was just to concentrate on the other colleges ?

Merrillville Semi-State is advancing 9 wrestlers with 10+ losses to the state tournament. Is this a sign that Merrillville is not as advertised ?

90+ losses in one bracket is an aweful lot!

You left off the button for "NO ONE CARES."

The 160 weight class has a total of 91 losses between the wrestlers in this bracket. 182 has 90. (The Average # of losses this year per weight class is 73) Is this a sign of a weak weight class, considering there are a few very good individuals?

I really don’t think too many people are attacking the kid. I think they are pretty much attacking the situation or event that occurred. It sounds like most people are putting this on his coach not a young kid in the heat of the moment in one of the most important matches in his life. Obviously you can’t reward someone for injuring a wrestler with a blatant illegal move (not that this occurred here.) However, there does need to be a rule that if you are too injured to continue, you can accept the win but you must injury default the remainder of your matches. I agree it sucks for the young man who’s career is over, but getting lost in this argument is that he did something illegal (as judged by the referee.) That’s not on the kid, or the coach. It’s just a judgment call, and we all know referee’s are not perfect, and this is certainly not the first time someone may have missed a judgment call.

Don't waste your time. I'd go to Merrillville or Evansville. Much more talent there.

I don’t know about always the critic. Maybe always the discussion – hence the “discussion” in discussion board. Again with this weak argument. I say it’s lame to totally pick the chalk almost at 97%. And the response is “picks should be the zaniest picks that will never happen - to be good.” No. I didn’t say they should all be totally wacky. I simply thought we could discuss that the results are not usually just the top 4 seeds. I didn’t realize we couldn’t discuss that. Anyhow – like I said – the preview was great.

Well, perhaps if you could even fathom the word logic, you could follow these two points. FIRST – it’s not selfish. It is common sense. If it is not exciting to the fans or parents, the sport loses interest and support. This sport can’t handle much more of that. If you continue to diminish the fan or families experience, soon you will not even have a sport to watch. So in the interest of the sport itself you might consider keeping it entertaining. I don’t know what all this ‘shove it’ business is about – but maybe that’s just how y’all do it in Dekalb. SECOND – MattM – Come on. I usually like your posts. But you have to admit your logic is a bit flawed here. You want me to believe that if you split an exciting event into two separate rounds and remove the drama from the first you still have just as an exciting product? That’s like saying let’s take the crime out of Law and Order and we would still have an award winning television program. (it’s no Matlock, but that’s my analogy) Oh, I almost forgot: (I didn't really, I was being sarcastic) I can't hardly handle these poor arguments where one suggests that watering down the ticket round would remove drama and your best point is "Yeah, all the states that have wrestlebacks never have any exciting rounds" I guess if you make up things I say and argue against them then you can win. Perhaps you could focus on what I really said in the future if you want to have a discussion.

You guys are making my point for me: The ticket round is so exciting. It is the best round in the entire season, excluding the finals under the lights. If you add in wrestlebacks – none of these Epic Matches ever matter, there is no drama, and a gigantic portion of the excitement about the state tournament is simply lost. NO WRESTLEBACKS – IN SEMISTATE. EVER.

Like securing a takedown – I have 2 points: 1 -The current method of tallying the scores is by far the best way to determine a state champion. It controls for big school vs little school and adds a lot of excitement. For example if you’re a tiny little school and can only get 8 kids out for the team, and you can manage 6 guys placing high, you can compete with Perry Meridian or Mater Dei, or Crown Point or whomever. This is the old school way. – AS THE NCAA DOES IT. 2 - Also – I will not respect any so called ‘state tournament’ that isn’t represented by every portion of the state. When I was looking through this current year's I couldn’t help but notice that there was not one single Region Team? I don’t profess to know the reasoning, but I know it affects the validity of tournament. Also allowing Mater Dei to move up to the big schools? Then what is the point in having different school sizes ?

..and go Wildcats.

This is going to be an exciting ticket round. Can't wait. The ticket round is better than Friday Night at Bankers Life.

Dingo – I appreciate the preview;I’m sure that took a lot of work, and it was done well. Your picks on the other hand – WOW. That was about as worthless as watching President Obama fill out his NCAA bracket. With the exception of just a few guys you went with the chalk and just picked all of the highest seeds. You don’t see any upsets, and every ‘alpha-dog’ is the highest seed. As Chris Berman would say “C’mon Man.”

Nick ? I do think your comment might have been misunderstood ? I gather you meant that if you are looking to be a well-rounded wrestler you shouldn?t focus exclusively on Greco full time. However, I think there is plenty of room to have full practices dedicated to Greco from time to time as every single one of the Greco ? Roman skills are transferable to the other disciplines. Philosophies differ ? but I think you were misunderstood. For example: Would running marathons be a detriment to a triathlete ? Also ? as a side note: Jeff Blatnick ? one of the first Olympic Gold medal winners in Greco Roman for America ? NCAA D2 National Champion (folkstyle), High School State Champion (folkstyle) (Former commissioner of the UFC ? (MMA)) Matt Lindland ? World/Olympic Silver Medal in Greco ? NCAA Champion ? (folkstyle) (coach at Team Quest (MMA)) USA Senior Greco-Roman Championships 1995 163 lbs: 1st place / 1998 167.5 lbs: 1st place / 1999 167.5 lbs: 1st place / 2000 167.5 lbs: 1st place / 2001 187.2 lbs: 1st place FILA World Championships / 1998 167 lbs: 6th place / 2001 187 lbs: 2nd place US Olympics (greco) / 2000 167.5 lbs: silver medal USA University Freestyle Championships : 1992 163 lbs: 1st place / 1994 163 lbs: 1st place Steve Fraser ? First Olympic Gold medalist in Greco from USA (1984) - Michigan High School State Champion (Folk Style), All American at the University of Michigan (Folkstyle) Dennis Koslowski - First American with 2 Olympic medals in Greco-Roman Wrestling (1988-1992) At Minnesota-Morris, he was a three-time All-American and a two-time NCAA Division III national champion (Folkstyle.) He also was a three-time all-conference offensive lineman in football. Dremiel Byers ? Most decorated Greco Roman wrestler in American History. After giving up his college scholarship for family reasons he joined the Army. Byers is a Sergeant First Class in the US Army. Also: 1993 High School State Champion (folkstyle) Rulon Gardner ? 2nd 2 time Greco Olympic Medalist ? High School State Champion (folkstyle), NJCAA National Champion ? (folkstyle),NCAA Wrestling National Championships 4th (folkstyle) Dennis Hall ? (Greco) - Hall made a total of 10 world level teams, including 3 Olympic teams over the course of 4 Olympic cycles (1992, 1996, 2004). Hall was a 1995 World champion, at the time just the 2nd American Greco wrestler to become a World champ. He won an Olympic silver medal in 1996 and also has a world bronze to his credit. 3 X High School State Champion (Folkstyle) I could list 10-20 more including Mr. Hazewinkel, Houck, Dan Henderson.....

No love for the World Team medalists? Jimmy Kennedy 7th at 132 lbs Zach Sanders 2nd at 121 lbs Colt Sponseller 'bronze' 163 lbs Pretty good results for the Ole' USA