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Those are all really good ideas. The most important thing that we do is work with football, and track. In turn they push kids to wrestle. The main way we did this was by doing the exact same weights program those sports do. This year football lifted everyday after school. We just started practice half an hour later. Football kids lifted, cross country kids ran, some kids did homework, some kids did extra wrestling stuff. It keeps them working with their teammates, and let's them focus on what might be their "main" sport while still wrestling. Our school also started giving three sport athlete patches to three sport kids. The patcges look cool, and help to get kids out for sports that they may not otherwise do. We picked up at least 5 kids with these patches alone. They ran track, played football, and couldn't make the basketball team, that left us hahaha. A couple of other things we do- tell the kids they have a good shot at lettering if they come out for the team. Our 106-120 this year consisted of three freshmen who had never wrestled before. We didn't win a lot, but we didn't forfeit. Push your JV schedule. We keep a fair number of kids for 4 years this way, our guys get between 15 and 20 JV matches, it keeps them out. Push the team. Let them know that we won't beat, whatever team without them. Sell the kids on the importance of each weight. Example this year our 182 won a match against Eastside that won the dual for us. He had 4 wins all year, but that match he won the dual for us. Also to add to what Y2 said give the kids stuff for getting kids out. We gave the wrestler who got the most kids out a pair of shoes. We also would do smaller stuff, buy a case of gatorade, if a guy came to conditioning because you brought him you both get gatorade, stuff like that.

I have a legitimate question for class fans. Do any of you think that we have a special finals, and that there is a positibility that classing could have a negative effect on Indiana Wrestling in that regaurd? I mean we have kids who are national placers who bring up how our tournament is the "best event" in post match interviews, it's obvious that the event is pretty awesome, aren't we risking loosing that in classing it? That is what has happened to Indiana Basketball, it's not like the state is any better or worse than what it was, it didn't add numbers, or make big school or small school kids better, it just made people care less and it lost a lot of the "buzz" that it used to have, I think that would be a negative from classing. In the end I don't buy that numbers would increase all that much at small schools because of it, but I do think that it would have a negative impact on the experience of our qulaifiers. I know you can't measure it, but I think it's something that should be taken into account.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies Writing off all one-class arguments as antiquated, stale, and fuddy-duddies, and saying that one-class supporters are open minded, progressive, data analyzers has to be on this list somewhere, anyone willing to help me find which one it is?

I am not judging how many kids want to wrestling in college based off of those numbers alone. What I was pointing out was that if there were so many kids wanting to wrestle in college that the numbers might be higher at these tournaments, wouldn't you agree with that sentiment?

MD was pointing out that many kids don't really want to or plan on wrestling after high school. I was adding to his point by pointing out the fact that there is not a lot of participation at local tournaments at the university and senior levels, even though all you have to do is sign-up and show-up. I agree with his statement that after high school a lot of kids are just done with wrestling as a competitor.

If so many people wanted to continue on with their wrestling careers wouldn't the University and Senior divisions at your local ISWA and HYWAY tournaments be stocked full of recent grads?

Curious how do you guys schedule what events take place when? Last weekend there were four events within 1.5 hours of Fort Wayne, this week there are none. I was just wondering why these events wouldn't be spread out to different weekends?

I'm not sure, but I guarantee they have way more "who do you think would win, class A, or class AA Champs" threads then we have. You don't think the culture of the state has anything to do with the fact that they aren't calling to go back to one class? How long have those states been classed? That makes a huge difference in all of this. Classingng wrestling probably wouldn't make that big of a difference one way or another in terms of the level of wrestling that our big and small schools would produce. It would make a huge change in our wrestling culture, and that is why you see arguments against it, it would be the same in those states if people were to argue going to one class.

That's are really fair question. Placers/ Champs are the only time you see a statistically significant difference in what you would expect. There are a couple of explanations for that though. 1. Would be that there is an advantage at that level to being at a big school, this may be the case. 2. I am sure there is a socioeconomic component to kids getting to this level as well. Many of the big schools that do well are located where successful people have clustered to raise their kids, so if that is a factor, which I belive it is, it might be seen explain the drop. 3. The group we are discussing is so small that the level of athlete that has the ability to place/ be a champion are simply not found with-in the population of some of the small schools. I would need a more in depth knowledge of statistics, but if we take natural ability into account at all, I would be willing to bet that could explain at least some of the dip in numbers.

It's crazy that those numbers almost mirror the total population of each class. Which is BTW what you would staistically expect, which shows that things in terms of qualifiers is realitivily fair. The total population of the schools is BY FAR the biggest advantage big schools have, yet when it comes down to looking at the numbers we should ignore that fact and just say that each team enters 14 kids at sectionals? You have to take the total population into account. That was the original group that big schools have to choose from. The problem with doing this of course is that the facts show a slight disadvantage to 1A and 3A schools and a slight advantage to being from a 2A school, which doesn't fit the class fans narritive, so you guys choose to ignore that fact. The numbers are similar every year, and every year the numbers mirror the total populations. Which again is staistically what you would expect.

Not at all. I was just agreeing with the top argument for class wrestling in Indiana. Those numbers prove we need it!

I have to agree with Y2 on this. Small schools make up about 11% of the total population of schools. It would only be fair if that 11% made up 33.3% of the state qualifiers. Facts are facts!

Thanks!

Anyone have any clue if/ when the finals will be shown on t.v. again?

Whew we would have to hit the dummies pretty hard this summer to go toe to toe Greco with Heights, they can throw for sure. Yeah if you could get me some info or the price on those they look pretty nice. I would of course need mine singleted not gi-ed?

We are looking at purchasing a training dummy or two, and I was curious if anyone had any recommendations for what style, brand, size, etc you would get the most use from. Anything you would stay away from? Also how important is it to have all of the different weights, or can a lighter guy make do with a heavier dummy, or visa versa? Thanks in advance.

So with the big Red Lee match possibly looming I started to think about other matches over the years that had a ton of buildup. I'm sure there are many more but one that stood out to me was Shaffer vs Vega. That match was at either the first or second finals that I had went too. Does anyone know what they were ranked nationally when that match took place? It seemed like that match was similar to this match in terms of the accolades of the wrestlers. Micic and Lee was pretty hyped up too, I know I'm missing a ton of them, what other matches had a lot of hype heading into this weekend?

I guess that Fort Wayne Northside has their logo/ mascot picks down to two. It'll be a tough choice-

Churubusco's logo is a morphed Iowa Hawkeye. IMO it is the best looking possibility for an eagle logo, as most eagle logos stink. I think we are the only team that uses it, which surprises me, because of how awesome it is. On a side note I do not know why we are not the Turtles or Terrapins or Snappers seeing that we are Turtletown USA, maybe i'll start a kickstarter campaign to get the change made.

Based off genius rankings the forth best team at Jay County Sectional would have been the eighth best at both Carroll and New Haven Sectional. The forth best at Delta would be 7th at Carroll and 8th at New Haven. I look at the regionals like this,you have three really good teams- Carroll, Bellmont, Yorktown. Those three are a level above the rest. Jay County is ahead there. You then had four teams Adams Central, Garrett, Jay County, and Leo that are pretty even and could go any number of ways. Following that group you would have Jay County with just Muncie Central and Winchester that be in the mix with Columbia City, Homestead, Huntington North, Woodlan, Bishop Dwenger, Northside, Concordia, Busco, Snider, wayne, and New Haven. It is the depth of teams that make Carroll tougher imo. Columbia City is probably actually in that AC, Garrett, Jay County, Leo group.

Does anyone know what the exact rule is on stalling? Is there any wording on a certain amount of time between calls or shot attempts before a stall is called? I was watching the match on Saturday and didn't feel as if either of the stalling calls were incorrect on their own. It seems like the problem that everyone has is with the amount of time that occurred between the calls, not the call itself. I agree that the second call came really quickly after the first call, but I didn't think it was a bad call, if he hadn't been warned earlier I doubt anyone would have disagreed with the second call. If the second call hadn't been called, the first wouldn't have been a horrible call eithrr. It was close for sure, and that second one is tough, but I'm not sure if by the letter of the rule the right call wasn't made. I don't have a dog in the fight, and respect the heck out of both teams and wrestlers, but does anyone think that either of the stalling calls was horribly wrong on their own?

Its cleared out, I also emailed you back. I'm working on a wrestling room scent. It would be a top seller. I know I feel like a wuss. Dock would post

I copied them with the intention of posting them. I was just looking to see if anyone felt that they shouldn't be put out there is all.

I have them copied and pasted onto a word document. I thought that they would make for good discussion, but I wasn't sure if posting them would be frowned upon. Anyone know if these are supposed to be hidden or anything like that?

Another big one is questioning the weight classes. It asked if finding upper and lower weight wrestlers was a problem in your area. I wish they would have asked about each separately. The question about forfeits counting as more than pins was intriguing too. It said it was to push the importance of filling rosters. There was a ton of great message board fodder on the survey this year.