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My belief: as long as their is wrestling there will be a need for all size schools in tourneys. Just look at the schools this year and even this week looking for another team to join their 6 way. They don’t care how big or small the school is, they want another team. even in some of the “big school” 6 ways you see 4 large schools and 2 smaller as they want a round that isn’t as intense (giving the kid a round off) or to make the day quicker. Next year two of your 6 weeknights can be rolled into one so two smaller schools and a big school can go together (at least that is the intent- what people make it to we can’t help) tournaments are a great way to ensure a smaller school gets included - example- jeff Classic, despite the forfeits I know kids get matches of all size schools- which is my intent in the size variance of schools invited. I believe others do the same i see where your coming from fellas. I just think and hope it won’t have the backlash perceived by some. I like it for now and look forward to seeing if it improves accurate seeding.

Joe- i agree how it could be seen that kids are at a disadvantage - but that isn’t my reality at least. Wrestling a tougher schedule will Still produce tougher wrestlers that despite a seed will march forward in the tourney. I believe the real intent of ethical coaches is put their kids up against tough or worthy competition to continually grow the wrestler. if someone weakens their schedule to manipulate this rule- it will bite them at some point- that kid with a great record (lots of wins, low forfeits, but lesser competition) won’t go as far. i think many people do their kids a disservice by getting their kids overseesed and the kid falling short and feel a failure. First, I’d love an accurate seed. But other than that i like when a kid overcomes their seed and feels good about themselves. I feel many kids got overseeded due to forfeits and left feeling real discouraged and just don’t understand that actual competition would have grown them.

Galagore- I agree with that- it would count and it does count in a dual meet. Just not when saying who the better teams is. Originally seeding meetings were were just plain- “hey guys who is better” and it was talked out. Rules were made for dishonesty , for those that had trouble compromising, and for flat out “we don’t know”. The intent of the seeding meeting is to have people try and come to a conclusion on who the best wrestler is. Not just a stat. Thus not using forfeits to compare individuals. so the forfeit still counts- for a win, for team points- for glory and honor- just not in a discussion of how good a wrestler is in my opinion of course This topic interests me more than most, as seen by my number of responses- as I really had no idea anyone would disagree with it.... I thought most would go “yeah, forfeits don’t show who is better” so it’s been interesting finding out that this isn’t the case. Interesting to see how many see forfeits as a measure of the wrestler.

I completely agree with that statement joe.

correct, most other sports dont use forfeits, as they think it is silly

forfeits do not tell you who the better wrestler is. I get the scare of the new, and how it might be perceived it could hurt someone. I completly respect the opinion, but hope that people will give it an open minded try, as I think there are more positives then negatives. The only reason rules are made in the first place is because someone was trying to manipulate something. The intent to hurt is not there. The likelihood of it helping more kids is definitely there. The possibility of a coach minipulating a rule to his advantage is always there - no matter what way it goes. Instead of talking and comparing the actual wins and losses, maybe we should discuss and compare the quality of forfeits? My forfeits are better than your forfeits? (just joking) In no other sport would you use a forfeit to seed someone, just think of the NCAA basketball tourney seeding based on games not actually played. "well, we didnt play duke, but could have, and didnt, so that is a win, seed me higher than them." It does come down to morals - people were dodging people before this rule came about - they will dodge kids with this rule and they will dodge kids without this rule. this rule has nothing to do with dodging. If a kid and coach want competition, they will seek competition. If they want to avoid, they will. Schools that actually sought out forfeits to make their record look better will remain - their record is their record. The larger schools will wrestle the smaller schools at the same rate they already do - cause forfeits won't count and now coaches will possibly actually want that match to happen. We can never stop people avoiding matches, we can never stop teams with tougher or weaker schedules. Although i wish all schools in Indiana were the exact same size - we can't control that either. But what we can do is compare actual wrestled matches to actual wrestled matches. Not an actual wrestled match to a ghost match. I can't speak for others, but I know ill keep schools I need for sectional seeding cause i want the actual head to head match wrestled. the forfeits in their lineup have nothing to do with us wanting the head to head competion. Ill keep inviting all sizes of school to jeff classic because I want to see our smaller schools have that platform. Ill keep doing battle of the bridge and including smaller schools because I want their kids to grow too and have opportunities too. We can't stop coaches that dont or wont seek competition. We can help comparing actual matches. if forfeits actually showed the strength of a wrestler, on the results page we should start writing - Freddie had 4 quality forfeits today in his tourney. (again just kidding) forfeits do not tell you who the better wrestler is.

Some people could dodge, that’s true. But the competitors bump to and seek out the best competition. Change scares people. Me included in many ways. But let’s say this rule was a long standing rule, and then someone came along and said “we are having trouble deciding who is better, let’s see who has the most forfeits and they obviously are better, give them the higher seed” - that wouldn’t make sense at all! Kids that gets forfeits in a dual....Those kids still get to say they won a dual meet for their team cause they got their hand raised for thr team Even in an individual tourney if they get their hand raised it counts for the team Even at sectionals if they get their hand raised in a forfeit it counts for the team Just when comparing athletes - wrestled matches are what counts. We aren’t taking away or punhsong a kid , just saying “hey, how did you do when you actually wrestled” Having forfeits when comparing wrestlers will not be what hurts small school wresting. There are so many other positive things we can do to pump wrestling rather than bank on hoping for forfeits to seed us. nothing is perfect, nor can it ever be. But comparing kids actual matches wrestled is a lot better then just seeing who got more forfeits and claiming they must be better.

No kid is being punished or rewarded. someone can cheat or lie or avoid kids no matter the rules no matter the situation You are comparing actual matches wrestled, to actual matches wrestled.

while not an officer of the coaches association for 4 years now, I do know where the rule came from: Head to head and common opponents still count - so if you have a losing record because your forfeits are gone, but you have a common or a head to head you still trump the person record - forfeits don't matter in that scenerio anyway. previously a kid that was 16-15 with ten forfeits, could be over a kid that was 14-15 with no forfeits. It didn't decide the better wrestler, but the person that didn't wrestle the most was assumed better. This rule was passed two years ago, and was in use last year (whether schools used it or not) Small schools and medium schools and large schools were in the meeting that changed the criteria. The purpose of the seeding meeting is to seperate the best wrestlers. The forfeit was taken out so that only actual wrestled matches seperate the wrestlers. Forfeits don't show who the better wrestler is. The purpose of the rule is to discourage forfeits - push to recruit, bump kids to wrestle actual matches instead of wrestling a dual where nobody matches up. despite opinion - the people in the room that made the rule had pushing wrestling actual matches as their goal

fun topic here - like seeing all perspectives. I find it interesting when compared to how other states do things - you know in New Jersey the HS coach can not coach the athlete in the off season - they HAVE TO go to a club. Just different rules completely and I don't think we want a no contact rule. Much success when we compare our self to those states is simply a numbers game. Population of Indiana 6.6 million New Jersey 8.8 million Ohio 11.6 or so IL and PA - both 12.8+ million

Bracket information: http://www.trackwrestling.com/tw/predefinedtournaments/MainFrame.jsp?newSession=false&sport=wrestling&TIM=1513362041677&pageName=&ie=false&frameSize=869 41th ANNUAL JEFF CLASSIC - December 16, 2017 Awards: 1. Individual plaque for the champion in each weight class 2. Medals for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th place. 3. Ribbons for 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th. 4. Team trophy for 1st and 2nd place Outstanding wrestler plaque Plaque for most pins in the least time GPA Award for the highest GPA in each weight class Time Table: The times listed are tentative. We will take short breaks between rounds for the referees and to maintain the minimum recovery time between matches. Ticket Information: $8 All day Saturday Officials: Louis Rosbottom, Ray Black, Steve Mitchell, James LittleJohn, Mark Munday, Chris Davis Teams: Eastern Pekin, Charlestown, New Washington, Oldham Co Ky, Jeffersonville, Jennings County, Madison, New Albany, Seymour, South Dearborn, Trinity , Bloomington South, Moore KY, Providence, Tell City, Heritage Hills - Extra: Gibson Southern, Southwestern, Northview Jeff Classic Time Schedule Saturday: - tourney will start as soon as changes are made – the less changes YOU HAVE the quicker we start. Weigh-ins 8am Session 1 9:30 – 11:00 Championship-Matches (5 mats) Session 2 11:00 – 1:30 Consolation-Matches (5 mats) Championship- Matches 30 minute lunch break will be fit in as available Session 3 2:00-3:00 Consolation- Matches (5 mats) Session 4 3:00-3:30 Championships – Matches (5mats) Session 5 3:30-4:00 Championship- Matches (4 mats) Session 6 4:00-4:30 3+4, 5+6, 7+8 (3mats) Session 7 4:30 FINALS (1st and 2nd) (1 mat) 120lbs #6 SS Victor Antunez - Jennings County #12 KY Brett Shea - Oldham County 126lbs #13 KY Carson Deckard - Oldham County #17 KY Landon Lenhart - Trinity 138 lbs #6 state, #5 SS Noah Hunt - Bloomington South #8 Dalton Craig - Jennings County #20 KY Jaelyn Hamilton - Trinity 145lbs #9 state, #2 SS Derek Blubaugh - Bloomington South #3 SS Brooks Wathen - Jennings County #4 KY Jakob Melimtic - Oldham County #7 KY Alex Rivera - Moore 152lbs #7 KY Isiah Newberry - Moore 160lbs #3 Lucas Carrib - Oldham County #20 Jon Jaudon - Trinity #25 KY Christian Allen - Moore 170lbs #6 state, #3 SS Kameron Fuller - Jeffersonville #15, #5 SS Zane Bieneke - Jenneings County #11 KY Jackson Deckard - Oldham County #22 KY Noah Jones - Moore 182lbs #8 state, #3 SS Aaron Mosely -New Albany #10 KY Andrew Vazquez - Oldham County 195 lbs #13 state, #3 SS Jaden Sonner - New Albany #4 SS Luke Smith - Jeffersonville #3 Ky Kadin Kulmer - Trinity #5 Daniel Kimble - Oldham County #12 KY Petyon Marton - Moore HWT #8 state, #2 SS Brady Shepherd - Jennings County

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Last night Kam Fuller rushed for 389 yards for a new school record previously held by a wrestler. he had 4 touchdowns, another touchdown was by NEW quarterback Isaac Hall (hall was brought from DB injured quarterback - he had never played QB before and led team to victory) at least 7 touchdowns between the 2 teams Friday night were scored by wrestlers including Jennings County's Zane Bieneke (who's dad was the running back back in 1995 when i was center) fun night of wrestling in the football game for Jeff v. Jennings County

Funeral arrangements are set for Friday 9/22/17 @ Greencastle Christian Church, Visitation is set for 11am to 1pm followed by Funeral Services at Forest Hill Cemetery.

absolutely - think how far kids would be behind if they were a three sport athlete and they took off every game three seasons a year.........look up "Texas Rangers batting averages" as a study they did on the batting average of their players that lifted on game day - pretty interesting.

TOPICS FOR DUSTIN MEYERS SESSIONS 1. Introduction to Strength & Conditioning for Wrestling: In Season vs Off Season (lecture) 2. The 12 Essential Strength Exercises for Wrestling (lecture/demonstration) 3. Burst Training: Developing Explosive Power (lecture/demonstration) 4. Posterior Chain and Core training: Strength, Stability and Injury Prevention (lecture/demonstration)

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Basics of the clinic - flyer and more to come! IHSWCA State Coaches Clinic Ben Davis High School Oct. 26-27 Main Clinicians: Kevin Ward (West Point head coach); Dustin Myers (strength coach to OSU wrestling, and owner of "old school gym") Flyer to come soon

Congratulations to the following coaches for being selected. there were over 100 applications for these positions, if not selected keep applying - that goes noticed! Coaches are to contact the team leaders for more trip information Schoolboy Duals Steve Livingston - Team leader Michael Duckworth - Assistant Team Leader Chad Ulmer (wabash) Thomas Johnson Tyson Skinner Doug Welch Cadet Duals Team Leader-Corey Graham alex joseph gralan early Brandon Music Junior Duals Team Leader - Nick Hull Keith Davison Steve Bradley Andrew Nicola Fargo Junior Team leader - Brady Eppert Cadet Team Leader- Jake O'Neill Danny Struck Thomas Pompei Josh Curry Camden Eppert Matt Coughlin, Keith Davison, Blake Mauer Angel Escebedo Mike Runyon Doug Welch Nick Hull Leroy Vega Thomas Johnson Women's Fargo Team Leader - Jason DeLouis Female Chaperone - Jen Gray we have a list of alternates per trip - changes do occur!

been a great week!!!! about 40 every practices of all sizes, athletes as far as jennings county and Madison here every day last gathering today 3:30 to 5:30pm

Here are the times: Momir Petkovic Olympic and World Gold Medalist Jeffersonville high School - enter door 17 Monday and Tuesday 5:30 to 7 Wednesday and Thursday 3;30 to 5 Friday morning TBA Free to all 6-12 grade with ISWA Card - coaches encouraged to come too! article: http://www.newsandtribune.com/sports/wrestling-olympic-gold-medalist-petkovic-to-run-camp-at-jeff/article_6492575e-2cd9-11e7-af08-639fb1c1e8cc.html

there will be NO RTC TONIGHT 4/26 We will have OPEN RTC EVERY DAY NEXT WEEK W/ Olympic Gold Medalist, World Champion - MOMIR PETKOVIC This is brought to you by the ISWA, and the MARINES Momir Petković (born 21 July 1953) is a Serbian Olympic wrestling champion. Wrestling career[edit]Momir Petković was a 1976 Olympic gold medalist in Greco-Roman wrestling in Montreal, competing for the former Yugoslavia at 82 kg. He also claimed three World silver medals (1978, 1979, 1981) and a World bronze medal (1977) during his career. Petkovic placed fourth in the 1984 Olympic Games in Los Angeles, Calif. Momir was revered for his majestic mustache which gave him great power. His competitive international Greco-Roman career spanned from 1970–1984 As a coach[edit]Petković joined USA Wrestling as its Assistant National Greco-Roman Coach in May 2002. He assists in the training and recruitment of athletes for the U.S. Olympic Training Center resident athlete program. He also works on a variety of Greco-Roman National Team projects. He was a member of the 2000 U.S. Greco-Roman Olympic Team coaching staff, as well as the 2001 U.S. Greco-Roman World Team Coaching staff. The United States placed a strong third at both competitions, among what is considered the best Greco-Roman team performances in U.S. history. He has on occasion trained mixed martial arts fighters the likes of Matt Lindland and BJ Penn. BJ credited Momir with helping him defeat Matt Hughes at UFC 46 for the UFC Welterweight Championship. “Momir is the toughest man I have ever met, what a great coach and role model” -Matt Lindland

awesome clinic last night - all grappling and the links between the two disciplines - 37 kids from Jeffersonville and Providence next week - RTC will be Friday night and Saturday morning - with Mike DeRohen of Wisconsin Plattesville - 2 kettlebell workouts - 2 Greco workouts and lots of live wrestling

Tyson steps down, the return of JASON! Going out party? Good work Tyson - it is a thankless job, but from a former prez - THANK YOU

WHEN: Friday - April 21, 2016 WHERE: University of Indianapolis COST: $40 for one, $30 for multiples from same staff Cost includes lunch and clinic gift TIMES: 8am – 8:45 – registration 8:45 - 9:30 - Nick Hall - Indiana Pride 9:30 10:30 – Mike DeRoehn 10:30 – Break 10:40-11:30 - Mike DeRoehn 11:30 – 12:15 - Keynote speaker - Tom Allen - IU football – Lunch and Business Meetings Lunch provided by Subway 12:15 – 1:30 Mike DeRoehn 2:00 - ?? Question and Answer Information: dstruck@gcs.k12.in.us