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Y2CJ41, What forum rule was broken for you to censor a post? A link was even provided to a credible news source. No wonder no one posts here.

Caton = 133 Murphy = missed weight at 133 something like 5 times last season. Murphy simply won't be at 133 this season. Look for him at 141 or maybe even 149. I.U. just announced that they are attending the Clarion Open, so perhaps we'll see Murphy vs a Hoosier. What Hoosier did Murphy help recruit?

Intermat reports 2 more commits: Bryce Martin, Bakersfield CA 174/184 David Conte, De La Salle CA 125

well NCAA doesn't allow "official" practices for a few more weeks, and it sounds like they just certified for weight classes last week, so here's the battle that's currently going on in Bloomington....

What you are hearing is not 100% accurate. For example Moody won't be at 133. Trevor Moody (@trevmo125) tweeted at 11:22pm - 17 Sep 13: "Certified to wrestle at 141 today. Can't wait to step on the mat in a month and a half for the first tournament. #iuwrestling" https://twitter.com/trevmo125/status/380169971545821184 My understanding is some of the other things you are hearing may or may not turn out to be true also(I'm hearing several kids with weight struggles), but I don't have a team members tweet to prove it, so we'll wait and see. As for the upper weight depth, all I can tell you is that there were discussions/visits by a HWY & 195 state champ and a 160 placer for this years class (all of whom I know and told me they had), but the kids made other choices.

Yep, nice to see the program on the front page of intermat. http://intermatwrestle.com/articles/10419

"State runner-up Fletcher Miller (Kokomo, Ind.) verbals to Indiana University" per Intermat's Josh Lowe Miller was also 3rd at Junior Nationals. Intermat is also reporting Dakota Thacker of Bloomington South who placed 5th at 182 & I believe is projected at or near the top of the 195 rankings also gave his verbal commitment to the Hoosiers. http://www.intermatwrestle.com/recruiting/commitments Throw in the previously committed Austin Reece, 3x Ohio placer, projected as a 165 and this class looks Strong before the season has even begun.

http://awn.theopenmat.com/2013/09/michigans-logan-marcicki-verbals-to-indiana/ Ranked 75th in class of 2014 by (though both publications have him at a much lower weight class than I expect.) http://www.d1collegewrestling.net/Top100_2014.html to go with their 25th ranked 3 time Ohio champ Jacob Danishek.

Which proves that they are a below average Big 10 team, but doesn't prove anything about how they compare nationally or whether they are a "good program". ( and your 7 number is inflated ....74 divided by 12 teams is 6.1....even if you count the 8 at large making it 82 divided by 12 it's 6.8 which you can round to 7 but then it isn't really fair to bash that they had to "rely on the at large bids".)

NOTHING and that is the attitude we need.

CB, I hear ya....Haters are gonna Hate.

So now what people say is what makes you a good program??? I though it was results that mattered, which is why Fabio Jr.'s comment initially appears valid. What it fails to mention, however, is that I.U. is in the toughest conference in the nation, but perhaps that's what he meant by "in most cases". (Don't get me wrong, I.U. needs to start winning some Big 10 duals, but they still qualified half their starters to the NCAA's and that makes them better than most division 1 teams.) Apparently, no one wants to address the All American stats. So, lets look at some other ways of measuring Indiana high school wrestling. Intermat ranks the top 20 high school wrestler in each weight class for a total of 280 ranked wrestlers. Their current rankings include 9 boys from Indiana. (Though 1 has committed to play football in college.) So Indiana high school wrestlers make up 3% of the ranked wrestlers. I.U. has one of them (Malloy) on his way to Bloomington. Purdue has another. Every question assumes things....it seems to me the question that started this thread makes a pretty big assumption.

Here's some stats to think about with regard to the original question: 2013 NCAA Division I Championships State: All-American by state (finalist)/Champions Pennsylvania (PA): 13 (6)/3 Ohio: 11 (3)/1 California: 7 (2)/1 Illinois: 6 (1) Missouri: 4 Utah: 3 (2) Iowa: 3 (1)/1 Minnesota: 3 (1)/1 Kansas: 3 (1)/1 New York: 2 (1)/1 New Jersey: 2 Florida: 2 Oklahoma: 2 (1)/1 South Dakota: 2 Colorado: 2 Michigan: 2 Vermont: 1 (1) Wisconsin: 1 Washington: 1 Idaho: 1 Louisiana: 1 Delaware: 1 Montana: 1 North Dakota: 1 Georgia: 1 Oregon: 1 Russia: 1 Mongolia: 1 Indiana: 0 Here's stats for 1961-2011 http://mwolverine.com/Top_Wrestling_States.html

Is an unranked Buffalo team any better? Cause that's who Iowa has right before Midlands. http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/wrestling/2013/8/6/4526470/iowa-announces-2013-14-wrestling-schedule You can't wrestle Penn State every week.

pretty vague answer...why do you feel there aren't those things? The duals I have been to in Bloomington have been as well attended as any other college dual I've been to with the exception of Iowa, PSU, Minnesota, or OK St. And the Hoosier crowd has been pretty into it, even in lopsided duals. I.U. might not be on those elite teams levels, but I wouldn't say they aren't a good program as was said above. This past season, they did qualify 5 of their 10 starters to the NCAA's. That is certainly better than most Division 1 programs.