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    Wrestling Scholar /# The County Lawyer
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  1. Wrestling Scholar

    An Idea to Think About.

    The Cornerstone of Ed's argument is the Sliga workout partner legacy which resulted in Riley's state success. Of course Ill also recognize GrecoCoach's expert coaching as a factor the success of both wrestlers. But that brings the key question up concerning to transfer or not. What do you do when you're a talented wrestler with goals, and your school doesn't have a workout partner like Sliga and you don't have a legendary coach like Greco Coach or Ed Pendoski? Do you stay put, and hope you can find a way. For every success story like Seth Riley, there's hundreds of Johnny Potentials that had the desire and talent, but were in the wrong situation and never reached their full potential and ended as the SS ticket round victim. How about the kids that did move and reached there potential as a result. My example is Tanner Lynde. He transferred to Delphi because he got himself a badass workout partner in Braden Atwood and also benefited from some valuable coaching from Braden's dad. How about the 2012 182 lb state finals: Tanner Lynde (Delphi) 8 - Luke Shaeffer Westfield 1. You cant argue Lynde benefited the same way from a workout partner the same way Riley did. Maybe Lynde would of done as well if he didn't transfer, but I say he was smart to put him in good situation. It didn't hurt him getting a Purdue scholarship either. If you have big goals, I say evaluate your situation to see if it will get you there. If not, then maybe make a change that improves your chances. Joe, how come you cant use the word A M B I T I O U S, on your site? If you type it you get this result, ***NO NO NO***ious.
  2. Wrestling Scholar

    An Idea to Think About.

    I don't think using Sliga at Fishers is a good example. I think its contradictory to your point. Fishers has had some solid teams throughout the years, its like you're the assumption that Fishers sucked back then. There still one of the biggest schools in state with a lot of wrestlers coming out (plenty of workout partners), there facilities are good and they wrestled a challenging schedule. Maybe they're not competing for state champs, but they were very solid when he was there. They also have access to some of the best clubs in Indianapolis. I don't see why Sliga would have wanted to move. Why don't you use the example of a wrestler from a small school that has an inexperienced wrestling coach, poor facilities, weak schedule, low participation, or in summary the place a kid has little chance of improving or winning anything. But you say you're the Lorax (my kids used to love the book) and speak for the trees, maybe the whole transfer thing might be healthy for the sport or the trees as your symbolically using as a metaphor. To make my point, maybe we shouldn't try to use over controlled IHSAA rules to make sure that all the schools are healthy. That's not real. Maybe we should make sure that most of the trees are healthy and not waste resources on the sick ones. There's schools with 2 to 3 wrestlers participating. It is it really economically feasible to spend coaches salaries, procure equipment and travel just for the benefit of a couple of wrestlers. Maybe if a kid wanted to transfer from one of these schools, because he wants to be a healthy tree, but by keeping him in an environment where he cant progress, were ensuring he's not going to be an healthy tree. Also, on a similar note. Why doesn't the ISHAA jump on the bandwagon and let small schools coop with each other to create bigger competitive teams. To clarify, School A and B don't have wrestling team but school C does. Let kids from school A and B wrestle for School C. Kid doesn't have to transfer, he just has to drive a little bit for practice. This would be one little piece in solving our transfer problem. We're all Lorax's who speak for the trees, we just have different Lorax ideas.
  3. Wrestling Scholar

    An Idea to Think About.

    Ok, even though I like a good class wrestling debate as much as anyone, its way to early for that and its digressing from the topic. Im cutting that off. Back to the topic, the advent of athletic transfers is nothing new in Indiana. Wrestling has seen its share over the years, and it hasn't destroyed it yet. At least not in the manner that Ed described. But the I think the game changer was open enrollment/ and school voucher law passed in 2013. As the hypothetical process described which is the the elimination of wrestling programs, seems somewhat feasible. I would say if you look at the big picture, you can see it in the elimination of Indiana schools. Look what it did to the Indianapolis school district. When enrollment became open, the better students left the weaker schools and went to the bigger schools. Next thing you know, 3 schools aren't cutting it any more and their doors are shut permanently. I think this will be a continuing trend in Indiana. And that's the way we will see the loss of more wrestling programs, due to school consolidation. On the athletic side, the one factor not mentioned by Ed was the fact that the IHSAA is cracking down on transfers more than ever and punishing the transferees by not granting eligibility. I think this tactic has been somewhat successful already. Even though these complicated transfer rules deter transfers, the problem with them is the hypocrisy of them. By that I mean, the State government of Indiana encourages kids to transfer for a better arts program, a journalism program, a chess team, a robotics program, a better offering of classes or just because a school has a better academic environment. But on the flip side, its wrong to transfer because of wrestling, football or gymnastics. It doesn't make sense, because these athletics programs are just as much of the school academic environment as the other extra curricular activities mentioned earlier. And from a legal perspective, lawyers love to the fight that argument because the unfairness is very to prove and they normally win. Look at the IHSAA record on transfer lawsuits, they normally don't win and they also cost a lot of money in legal fees. But looking at the current state of wrestling, we have over 300 programs which is good. Also, I think the IHSAA participation data was wrong. The forfeit numbers are real, and we're seeing less participation. But as described earlier, a lot of these programs are not so healthy with a only a handful of kids coming out. It has to be de-motivating for a kid and a coach to only have 4 or 5 kids participate. Also, lets be real, there's currently less than 10 schools that can win the state title in any given year and those are almost always the same 10 teams. Albeit through great home grown coaching or some kind of migration of talent through transfers, the best teams normally find a way to stay on top. So where's it going. What's it going to be like in 30 years when Ed's grandson or grand daughter is dominating the wrestling scene. I think well have less wrestling programs (see school consolidation), but we still will have well over 200 programs and those programs will be much fuller than we have now. So here's the question: would it be better to have less programs than currently, but say most of these programs can actually field full teams, instead of the current situation where half the programs in the state are riddled with forfeits?
  4. Wrestling Scholar

    Moves and Transfers

    The real question is: are any of the wrestlers going to get the big no, you're not eligible from the IHSAA.
  5. Wrestling Scholar

    Moves and Transfers

    I saw Culver had some good recruits coming in. Too bad Bryant left as they could of have a stacked team. I guess that changes things a little bit. I suppose at an academy, you can get some surprise blue chips and can lose some.
  6. Wrestling Scholar

    Possible Ohio State scandal with old wrestling coach

    Yes, see the texts from Helickson trying to get guys to change there stories. Looks like to me somebody got to him.
  7. Wrestling Scholar

    Possible Ohio State scandal with old wrestling coach

    It is weird that OSU is getting all this negative exposure at the same time. But still based on the timeline and locations and people involved, they just are not really related. I also don't think it helps Jordan seeing high profile coaches like Meyer getting slammed for neglecting abuse. I think in perception of the public, it just demonstrates how susceptible some people can be in not covering various types of abuse.
  8. Wrestling Scholar

    Possible Ohio State scandal with old wrestling coach

    You're right when you say Helickson knew these guys, but these guys knew Helickson too. Helickson's problem is he let the Jeanie out of the bottle and you cant put it back when DiSabato got Helickson to admit on video about Strauss's sexual assault. Everybody on here loves ripping Disabato, the guy is smart, and he smart to get that interview from Helickson to admit it before it the fan. Helickson didn't forsee this coming back to haunt his buddy Jordan. He was being honest at that point, but he also didn't think about his own personal ramification of him ignoring the situation Know he's trying to make up for his mistake by trying to coerce the wresters to back off and recant, but the Jeanie's out. Kind of naïve to think texts like this wouldn't get out to the public. Helickson might have put himself in some legal trouble for obstructing an investigation. At least Helickson still had enough loyalty to not turn his back and throw his former wrestlers under the bus just to protect his career like Jordan. Again, Jordan's strategy to attack the whistle blowers kind of is weak when 6 more wrestlers have stepped up and said he knew this.
  9. Wrestling Scholar

    Possible Ohio State scandal with old wrestling coach

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/former-ohio-state-wrestling-coach-urged-rep-jim-jordan-s-n896551. Probably a bad idea for Hellickson to try to coerce witnesses when you got an investigation like this. Looks bad.
  10. Wrestling Scholar

    Possible Ohio State scandal with old wrestling coach

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ohio-state-university-ex-athletes-describe-lewd-atmosphere-2018-07-12/ related news
  11. Wrestling Scholar

    Possible Ohio State scandal with old wrestling coach

    Think of what happened to the staff of people involved at PSU and MSU. Starting from the athletic director to all the coaches on the staff and to the campus security, I think they would be worried about their career and reputation based on the results of this investigation. Of course they're not going to say anything that incriminates themselves. At least Hellickson had the courage to complain a little bit. So you know all of the 7 guys that have made statements so well, that you can go online and attack their flawed character and as being misfits that Jordan didn't like or get a long with being the reason they're now coming at Jordan. Yes, on the "Medal of Honor", each school gets a female and male recipient each year based on athletic and academic success. Former winners include John Wooden, Drew Brees, Bob Griese (Purdue has the big names), and aforementioned Mke Disabato. This is one of the most prestigious awards in the Big 10. Yes Ohio State is a fine school, but you say getting a diploma there is like getting a diploma in a cracker box. My son and his wife graduated from the Ohio State University and a lot of his good friends did. They would really be very offended by that comment. My son got an accounting degree and a good job with PWC in Columbus. He worked his butt off. Keep in mind the average ACT for OSU is 29. I would like to see how many people on this board ever got a 29 or higher on the ACT. I wrestled at the college level in that era albeit at the NAIA level, but I don't remember that era as the "Creepy trainers" era. Maybe I was lucky and missed the creepy guys. Was there really a problem?
  12. Wrestling Scholar

    Possible Ohio State scandal with old wrestling coach

    Y2, you're right about Jordan being a lightning rod. Like or love his politics but he's gone extreme in his slash and burn brand with very little compromise, and he's the assigned the role attack dog going after his political opponents for any perceived irregularity. His trademark is no mercy and in his political investigations. Ironically his multiple accusations are based on govt employees not being responsible on their watch, and accusing govt employees for not monitoring the people around them and his best attack is claiming employees are immoral for being silent. And in his investigations, he recommends these employees to be prosecuted and terminated. Yes he put a target on himself, but now the shoe is on the other foot and he's the one being accused. He also backed himself in the corner, originally totally denying the claim. When Disabato comes at him, he can pawn it off as Disabato wanting some class action compensation, but when 6 other wrestlers step up and the head coach Hellickson admitting there was an issue that's a whole other ball game. When that many people step up, the character attack strategy doesn't work so well. Also, he then changes story using the old "Donald Trump Locker Room talk strategy". Yes, the ironic thing was his locker was next to Strauss's, and he really didn't know what was going on. He really looses his credibility when he starts blaming the timing of he accusations based his Rosenstein attacks last week. Yes, the investigation has been going on since April at OSU and involves all the men's sports teams and at OSU and the investigation is not just about him. And trying to link the law firm to Hillary is even a joke. Y2, on your point about wrestlers not fitting into the mold of being weak (mentally or physically), it does seem odd to go after wrestlers. But Dr Strauss was accused of sexual deviance with members of all the sports at OSU including 15 athletes making claims. The investigation didn't start in wrestling. I would say all scholar athletes at the OSU D1 level would be mentally and physically tough, not weak. Albeit Football, tennis, baseball, swimming, gymnastics, basketball, track, etc all these guys are strong and mentally focused on their discipline. The Dr probably had a method on how far he could go with molesting student athletes.
  13. Wrestling Scholar

    Possible Ohio State scandal with old wrestling coach

    https://www.whio.com/news/local/report-former-osu-wrestlers-say-jordan-aware-team-doctor-alleged-sex-abuse/9UqmRCllGOn0JeCH3mXecL/ Looks like 5 OSU wrestlers are now coming out saying that Jordan knew about the abuse. Also, Russ Helickson (Head coach) even commented in one of DiSabato's videos that he complained to the administration that the Dr was being too handsy. So Helickson knew, 5 wrestlers knew and Jordan didn't know anything. (Shawn Dailey and UFC champ Mark Coleman) And 14 former OSU student athletes also have claimed abuse. You can go after these guys backgrounds. But DiSabato did win the Big Ten "Medal of Honor" and his he had four brothers wrestle for OSU. Does it mean anything that he's got in some lawsuits. He in the apparel business, there's always licensing disputes when working with colleges and even pro sports like MMA. So is that the strategy to attack the background of these whistle blowers. Yes, you could say they potentially could be getting some settlement money in a class action suit. But do you think they would go to the point of making this up. You could say the same thing about Jordan, with his political career and aspirations. Yes maybe he is a nice guy, but so was Paterno. He definitely has the motive to lie to cover up his involvement to CYA. Look what happened to the staff at PSU and MSU, and that's scaring the crap out of him. You can say he's nice and honest, but political power changes people. Also, doesn't look like he has the back of his former wrestlers at OSU.
  14. Wrestling Scholar

    Possible Ohio State scandal with old wrestling coach

    ESPN Article says there's 14 accusations against Dr Strauss. So there's more than just smoke. With this hitting the public, I bet more people will make allegations. The big difference with this and Michigan State is that this was 20 years ago and a lot of water went under the bridge and that Dr Strauss committed suicide in 2005. http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/23948342/sex-abuse-inquiry-former-ohio-state-doctor-now-includes-high-school-students
  15. Wrestling Scholar

    Possible Ohio State scandal with old wrestling coach

    It is interesting, you have Disabato who has a litigious past including a licensee agreement that went bad with OSU. You got Yetts with a felonious criminal fraud history. I wonder if the third guy will come out. The MSU thing started small and then everybody came out of the woodwork. Also add, Jordan has thrown a lot of stones in his political career, which makes him a target and this could hurt Jordan politically. Ill be curious if more people come out. Curious to see if some Skeletons come out of Dr Strauss' closet. If people dig up a history on him, it could escalate this.
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