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4 minutes ago, MatTime said:

Then the need for class/division wrestling becomes less substantiated in this case. Why create a system that rewards part time individual sport participants? Our state system rewards the consistent wrestler who is dedicated to the sport. I imagine that only a few of the top wrestlers at each weight are competing in other sports. 

 

I don't think "class wrestling is needed to help multisport athletes get a chance at winning a title" is the argument that wins the day here. 

So are you saying that a small school kid won't have to work hard for success? 

What is the purpose of high school based athletics in your mind?

31 minutes ago, aoberlin said:

If the high school has a wrestling culture then there are a ton of advantages. Take Bellmont, Adams Central, Garrett, and Prairie Heights for instance.

 

What about 
Frankton
Rushville Consolidated
West Lafayette
Griffith
River Forest
Beech Grove
Gibson Southern
Tri-West Hendricks
Boonville
Danville Community
Glenn
Indian Creek
South Dearborn
Corydon Central
Jimtown
Silver Creek
Western Boone
Lawrenceburg
Sullivan
Mishawaka Marian
Speedway
Fairfield
Princeton Community
South Bend St. Joseph
Culver Academies
Woodlan
Lakeland
Twin Lakes
North Montgomery
Brebeuf Jesuit Preparatory
Illiana Christian
Knox
Hammond Bishop Noll
North Harrison
Fort Wayne Bishop Luers
Frankfort
Mississinewa
Eastbrook
Fort Wayne Concordia Lutheran
Greensburg
Heritage
Scottsburg
Guerin Catholic
Connersville
Northwestern
West Vigo
Evansville Bosse
Winchester Community
West Central
Cass
Tri-Central
Wes-Del
Wheeler
Lake Station Edison
Cloverdale
North Posey
Northeastern
South Vermillion
Triton Central
Madison Grant
North Vermillion
LaVille
Northfield
Greencastle
Salem
Manchester
Parke Heritage
Tri
Tri-County
Hagerstown
Monroe Central
Union City
Fountain Central
North White
Boone Grove
Brown County
South Spencer
Triton
Clinton Prairie
Forest Park
Sheridan
Southern Wells
Churubusco
Eastern (Greentown)
Hebron
Frontier
Clinton Central
Providence Cristo Rey
Caston
Pioneer
Bremen
Whitko
Fremont
Providence
Elwood Community
Pike Central
Tecumseh
Wabash
Indiana School for the Deaf
Purdue Polytechnic - Broad Ripple
Daleville
Riverton Parke
North Newton
Indianapolis Scecina Memorial
North Judson-San Pierre
Paoli
Southwood
Cambridge City Lincoln
Carroll (Flora)
Eastern (Pekin)
Whiting
Covington
Clarksville
Taylor
What advantages do these places have? Naming 4 schools out of 200 is great, but they are the exceptions, not the norm.

4 minutes ago, Galagore said:

 

In your defense, the lack of how obvious that is is also kinda the point. Your confusion is what he seeks, though he does not seek to confuse you personally.

Telling all of my secrets... geesh!

16 minutes ago, AndyStJ said:

We are always going to disagree here.

You may see the lack of wrestlebacks as exciting but I see Henderson vs Haines in the ticket round, with only one of them going, as an abomination. Both wrestlers have put in the work and are the bad draws, but blind luck of the draw combined with the lack of wrestlebacks means that the question of the top 4 semistate wrestlers on the day is not even considered. And it easily could be.

Add a round of wrestlebacks to semistate and qualifying gets harder. You have to win 3 matches instead of 2 to qualify, and the third will always be against someone out of your pod who has already won 2 matches. Add wrestlebacks to the State Finals and you need to win 2 matches to place instead of 1. That is way more exciting to me. If you really want exciting, watch the blood round at Fargo or Super32 or NCAAs.

Wrestlebacks would make Indiana HS wrestling better.
 

If you put in time in the off-season and work hard then you shouldn't need wrestle-backs. Do we really want to find out who the best loser is? Win or go home, life isn't fair, winners win, don't lose.

33 minutes ago, base said:

Always helps to see examples - is there an easy way to sort this year's end-of-year state + semistate rankings into the classes and see some of the names each class would have had as the favorites going into the postseason tournament?

 

This would have been the finals if we had a split with IHSWCA 1A/2A and 3A/4A

106
2A
1st Place - Peyton Schoettle of Roncalli
2nd Place - Mason Jones of Lake Central
1A
3rd Place - Royce Malone of Monrovia
4th Place - Jensen Boyd of Delta

113
2A
1st Place - Revin Dickman of Brownsburg
2nd Place - Nathan Rioux of Avon
1A
3rd Place - Ayden Bollinger of Delta
6th Place - Bradyn Volz of Eastern Hancock

120
2A
1st Place - Charlie LaRocca of Center Grove
2nd Place - Ty Henderson of Evansville Mater Dei
1A
4th Place - Isaac Ash of Monrovia
Tanner Tishner- Western

126
2A
1st Place - Luke Rioux of Avon
2nd Place - Isaiah Schaefer of Evansville Mater Dei
1A
7th Place - Bradin Daniels of Union City
8th Place - Cody Rowles of Jay County

132
2A
1st Place - Jake Hockaday of Brownsburg
2nd Place - Hayden DeMarco of Chesterton
1A
3rd Place - Tylin Thrine of New Castle
4th Place - Jackson Bradley of Cowan

138
2A
1st Place - Kyrel Leavell of Warren Central
2nd Place - Clinton Shepherd of Crown Point
1A
4th Place - Tony Wood of Jay County
5th Place - Gavyn Whitehead of New Castle

144
2A
1st Place - Easton Doster of New Haven
2nd Place - Zar Walker of Mishawaka High School
1A
4th Place - Branson Weaver of Owen Valley
5th Place - Jeffrey Huyvaert of New Prairie

150
2A
1st Place - Wyatt Krejsa of Center Grove
2nd Place - Hunter May of Floyd Central
1A
Carson Fettig- Hamilton Heights
Alex Smith- Heritage Hills

157
2A
2nd Place - Adrian Pellot of Merrillville
3rd Place - Anthony Cashman of Warren Central

1A
1st Place - Mitchell Betz of Western
6th Place - Silas Foster of Purdue Polytechnic

165
2A
1st Place - Waylon Cressell of Warren Central
4th Place - Anthony Rinehart of Crown Point

1A
2nd Place - Duke Myers of Bellmont (IN)
3rd Place - Brant Beck of Rochester

175
2A
2nd Place - Bray Emerine of Floyd Central
3rd Place - Aidan Costello of Hobart

1A
1st Place - Chase Leech of Garrett High School
4th Place - Ethan Farnell of Maconaquah

190
2A
2nd Place - Gunner Henry of Brownsburg
5th Place - Kaden McConnell of Center Grove

1A
1st Place - Noah Weaver of Rossville
3rd Place - Noah Terry of Tell City

215
2A
1st Place - Will Clark of Crown Point
2nd Place - Brandon Johnson of Lawrence North
1A
5th Place - Keagan Martin of Bellmont (IN)
7th Place - Wyatt Woodall of Southmont

285
2A
1st Place - Nate Johnson of Center Grove
2nd Place - Hosia Smith of Indianapolis Cathedral
1A
5th Place - Brady Beck of Rochester
6th Place - Juan Cruz of Bluffton
 

3 minutes ago, MatTime said:

You are advocating on behalf of your school's athletic department, not for your individual athlete. We can not blame the athletes and their family for making a different choice. I think you would be hard pressed to find any of our 14 champions saying they didn't have to make a sacrifice to earn their title. 

 

This seems like the classic "have your cake and eat it too" situation. You want to win an individual state title but you also want to participate in other sports. You do not want to have to choose between focusing on being good at a single individual sport or playing other team sports. So instead of class/divisional wrestling, perhaps the policy should be all individual athlete's need to participate in at least one other sport in order to compete at the state series. Would that alleviate the decision making for the wrestler at a small school? Would that bring the parity that is being asked for?

 

It is a choice. 

Do you feel that kids in lower classes in other states do not work hard or make sacrifices in order to achieve success?

33 minutes ago, MatTime said:

I get what you are saying. However, this does not take into consideration the trade-off it takes to get better. Those that are wrestling year round are giving up something.

 

Seems like your argument is that there should be class/division wrestling so that smaller school athletes do not have to make a choice between wrestling or the other sports. If an athlete wants to focus on one sport, they will sacrifice the same way the wrestlers at bigger schools do. 

The difference is at a bigger school if a kid wants to be varsity there is a decent chance he has to give up other sports to achieve that. At a small school you can be varsity much easier and don't have to give up other sports to keep your spot. This is one of those areas where the separation starts to occur, especially at weights 150lbs and below.

15 hours ago, AndyStJ said:

Wrestle backs you say? What an interesting idea. 

 

Please tell me, have any other states implemented these "wrestle backs" , or would Indiana be the first?

Just work harder, if you put in the time during the off-season you are the bad draw and don't have to worry about losing.

The ticket round is a part of our culture and the most exciting round. Semi-state would be boring with wrestle-backs.

Life isn't fair, get over it.

15 minutes ago, Coach Beezy said:

The thing that separates us from other states is NOT having class wrestling. While this maybe something that is frowned upon from others, it's what makes us (Indiana) unique! I haven't heard of other states that have class wrestling compete in a true "tournament of champions," 

Many states have tried some sort of champions tournament and they all have failed. It would be the same thing as us running state back two weeks later and asking everyone to "prove it" with their title runs. I would guess there are around 100 wrestlers who would love a redo on their state finals and to improve their placement or get revenge for a loss they took.

If a kid wants to prove he's the best in a classed state he will prove it at events during the season such as Al Smith, Mooresville, and others, prove it at ISWA events, or go out and place high at national events. 

Why aren't we having Rochester, Delta, and Floyd Central wrestle Crown Point after team state? Do we want to crown them champions, but then the next week say... "well you aren't really the champion?" How asinine is that?

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1 minute ago, TeamGarcia said:

As I stated before I’ll give up my votes to allow both these legends of the board to get in . I’ll wait till next year to get in . I’ll feel bad, if either one is left out this year. Respect is what they earn .

Garcia has a heart? I'm checking the IP address to make sure he wasn't hacked.

Calhoun and Kervin into the semi-finals and guaranteed podium spots

54 minutes ago, Kyle Ayersman said:

Bacon is never served. Just some nice Brownsburg water!

I want Jake and Revin to dress up like this and chase you through the school

Will bacon be served at any of these events?

Mike and Joe hand out our annual awards, announce the messageboard hall of fame candidates, and go over Frosh/Soph state.

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57 minutes ago, Beamaker said:

I’m wondering if there is a “Pete Rose”  type situation going to happen here? Not for gambling per se, but perhaps for some history of offense or grievance with Indianamat.

100% chance of that happening

Mr. Gorilla: Wyatt Krejsa- Center Grove
1st Runner-up: Will Clark- Crown Point
2nd Runner-up: Kyrel Leavell- Warren Central

Miss Gorilla: Rose Kaplan- West Lafayette
1st Runner-up: Varzidy Batchelor- Northview
2nd Runner-up: Elly Janovsky- Lake Central

Assistant Coaching Staff of the Year: Brownsburg
4A Coach of the Year: Darrick Snyder- Brownsburg
3A Coach of the Year: Brandon Sisson- Floyd Central
2A Coach of the Year: Cody LeCount- Delta
1A Coach of the Year: Tony Abbott- Cown
Girls Coach of the Year: James Linn- New Haven

4A Wrestler of the Year: Jake Hockaday- Brownsburg
3A Wrestler of the Year: Easton Doster- New Haven
2A Wrestler of the Year: Mitchell Betz- Western
1A Wrestler of the Year: Noah Weaver- Rossville

Past Award Winners
1A Coach
2015- Tony Currie- Adams Central
2016- Brett Smith- Prairie Heights
2017- Gary Black- Shenandoah
2018- Chuck Fleshman- Central Noble
2019- Tony Currie- Adams Central
2020- Cody Moll- North Posey
2021- Neal Stahly- Tell City
2022- Clint Gard- Rochester

2023- Joe Litherland- Tell City

1A Wrestler
2015- Sawyer Miller- South Adams
2016- Evan Ellis- Eastern
2017- Eli Stock- Monrovia
2018- Noah Cressell- Wabash
2019- Silas Allred- Shenandoah
2020- Isiah Levitz- Prairie Heights
2021- Hayden Filipovich- Indianapolis Lutheran
2022- Marshall Fishback- Rochester
2023- Tyce DuPont- Tell City

2A Coach
2015- Trent McCormick- Yorktown
2016- Mark Kerrn- Jimtown
2017- Trent McCormick- Yorktown
2018- Frank Bumgardner- Wawasee
2019- Chad Shepherd- Western
2020- Paul Gunsett- Bellmont
2021- Nick Kraus- Garrett
2022- Tim Myers- Bellmont
2023- Chad Shepherd- Western

2A Wrestler
2015- Brock Hudkins- Danville
2016- Brock Hudkins- Danville
2017- Mason Parris- Lawrenceburg
2018- Brayden Curtis- Yorktown
2019- AJ Fowler- Calumet
2020- Clayton Fielden- Garrett
2021- Isaac Ruble- Bellmont
2022- Christian Carroll- New Prairie

2023- Tylin Thrine- New Castle

3A Coach
2015- Brad Harper- Penn
2016- Darrick Snyder- Brownsburg
2017- Chris Johl- Chesterton
2018- Matt Schoettle- Perry Meridian
2019- Sean McGinley- Cathedral
2020- Sean McGinley- Cathedral
2021- Adam Wolf- East Central
2022- Chris Cooper- Columbus East

2023- Steve Sandefer- Mishawaka

3A Wrestler
2015- Chad Red- New Palestine
2016- Blake Rypel- Cathedral
2017- Joe Lee- Mater Dei
2018- Asa Garcia- Avon
2019- Jordan Slivka- Cathedral
2020- Eli Dickens- Mater Dei
2021- J Conway- Floyd Central
2022- J Conway- Floyd Central
2023- Cole Solomey- Kankakee Valley

4A Coach
2021- Greg Schaefer- Mater Dei
2022- Brandon Lorek- Crown Point

2023- Maurice Swain- Center Grove

4A Wrestler
2021- Jesse Mendez- Crown Point
2022- Gabe Sollars- Mater Dei

2023- Joey Buttler- Whiteland

Girls Coach of the Year
2021- Jeremy Goodlett- Lebanon
2022- Brad Harper- Penn
2023- Nick Skinner- Southport

Assistant Coaching Staff of the Year

2022- Crown Point

2023- Center Grove

Mr. Gorilla
2015- Tommy Forte- Mishawaka
2016- Chad Red- New Palestine
2017- Andrew Davison- Chesteron 
2018- Brayton Lee- Brownsburg and Mason Parris- Lawrenceburg
2019- Asa Garcia- Avon
2020- Silas Allred- Shenandoah
2021- Alex Cottey- Perry Meridian
2022- Jesse Mendez- Crown Point

2023- Sam Goin- Crown Point

Miss Gorilla
2021- Sarah Huse- Lebanon
2022- Catie Campbell- North Montgomery
2023- Aulani Davis- Kokomo

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44 minutes ago, Beamaker said:

Will there be a limit for how many inductees per year? I believe that would add to the pomp and circumstance!

10 nominees this year with 5 going in.

After that a limit of 3 per year. You can only be on the ballot five times before you are kicked off forever!

Location

Hartman Arena
Park City, Kansas

Schedule
https://www.naia.org/sports/mwrest/2023-24/Releases/Schedule
Thursday February 29th

11:00 am    Session I 
     1st Round (Championship)
     1st Round (Consolation)
6:00 pm    Session II
     2nd Round (Championship)
     2nd Round (Consolation)
 

Friday March 1st 

11:00 am    Session III
     3rd Round (Championship Quarterfinals)
     3rd Round (Consolation)
6:00 pm    Session IV
     4th Round (Championship Semifinals)
     4th Round (Consolation All-America Round)
     5th Round (Consolation Quarterfinals)
 

March 2nd

11:00 am    Session V
     6th Round (Consolation Finals)
     Placement Round (3rd, 5th and 7th place)
7:00 pm    Session IV

     Championship Finals
 

Brackets
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Participating wrestlers from Indiana

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Tune into Gorilla Radio tonight for the nominees!

We will have a special vote on here for which of the nominees are the first ballot hall of famers! Unlike the baseball HOF, we encourage steroid use and controversy! BUT, similar to the baseball HOF, it is ran by a bunch of crooked media members with an agenda.

2 hours ago, aoberlin said:

If we go by percentages for days won and upvotes here are your rankings. I would appreciate some upvotes for my effort here.

 

Upvote Percentage Per Post:

 

Days Won Percentage Per Post:

Technically I only have around 20,000 posts. The other "posts" are results, wrestlers, and other information I have added to the website.

Location
Mid-America Center

Council Bluffs, Iowa

Schedule
https://www.njcaa.org/sports/wrest/2023-24/national_championship/schedule
Friday March 1st
9am Preliminaries championship and consolations
5:45pm Quarter-Finals and consolations

Saturday March 2nd
9:30am Semi-Finals and consolations
6:00pm Championship finals

Brackets
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Participating wrestlers from Indiana

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2 minutes ago, rookie78 said:

Didn't Newkirk coach at Prairie Heights fairly recently?

I heard he's still there as the head coach, just a rumor though.