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Melloh and Mulkey
piscis1956 and 8 others reacted to Caleb Spires for a topic
Maybe I’m in the minority here, but I too call stalling in that situation. Over 20 seconds of holding a front headlock just riding out a one point lead is stalling, no matter what stage you’re on.9 points -
Good coaches will always fight for their kids. I would probably think a little less of a coach who didn't get kicked out in that situation.9 points
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Wow - Fattore pinned himself!
indianmorg and 5 others reacted to Y2CJ41 for a topic
Fattore was spotted warming up with Rader before the finals. Not sure I have ever seen two guys that just wrestled in the semi-finals warm up with each other.6 points -
Melloh and Mulkey
WOC and 5 others reacted to Westforkwhite for a topic
The front headlock should have been stalemated after 8-10 seconds max when neither wrestler was improving position. That would have left 10-14 seconds for the match to still be decided by the wrestlers. Unfortunately the official didn't call the stalemate and then compounded his mistake by making a more egregious one. Every year this guy makes numerous head scratching calls.6 points -
Melloh and Mulkey
piscis1956 and 5 others reacted to GrecoISU for a topic
Agree. The question is, was he trying to improve his position. If he wasn't, it's stalling. Take everything else out of it. I watched it again. He made zero attempt to improve, and it wasn't being hindered by the other wrestler.6 points -
Wow - Fattore pinned himself!
XxFIST2FACExX and 5 others reacted to navy80 for a topic
I’m now a fan of Fattore...he handled that loss with class. He didn’t throw a fit or take off running to the locker room.6 points -
Melloh and Mulkey
Websterk149 and 5 others reacted to Clint Gard for a topic
Would you call that in the first period when a kid is riding out a 0-0 score? The situation or score doesn’t dictate when or how stalling should be called. If it’s stalling with :15 left in overtime, then it’s stalling in the first :30 seconds of the first period. It wasn’t stalling...it’s a stalemate. The same call he used in that situation multiple times in that match.6 points -
Melloh and Mulkey
Dwilly and 5 others reacted to Clint Gard for a topic
So what happens to the official for the poor call? At :22sec, Mulkey had a front head lock and was snapping it to the mat. Why call stalling at 3-4 seconds left when the hold never changed? Call it at :22 or :15 or :10.if you are going to call it. Don’t wait to call and insert yourself in the match. Best call there was a stalemate...neither could improve. Called stalemate every other front head in the match. I also get tired of seeing Faulkens insert himself at matside. 2x this weekend so far. You want to be there and make decisions at mat side, then pull the officials aside as well and make sure you tell them they screwed up as well. Seeing too many matches decided by the officials in the last 2-3 weeks. And no, I won’t sign up to become an official...just do it right.6 points -
Melloh and Mulkey
Dwilly and 5 others reacted to KarlHungus for a topic
Snyder got tossed. I think his actions were mild6 points -
As the finals have concluded, I'd like to thank all the wrestlers that participated this year and entertained us fans. Congratulations to this years Champs. Also want to thank the guys doing this site. Your rankings and info is top notch. To the Seniors, I wish you the best in your next journey. Hell of a season gents.5 points
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Garcia
indianmorg and 4 others reacted to SWINfan for a topic
The secret is out about Asa Garcia. To beat him at State, you have to let him win Sectional, Regional & SS! 2016 Sectional - 2nd Place Regional - 2nd Place Semi-State - 2nd Place (all losses to Mills) State - Champion 2017 Sectional - 1st Place Regional - 1st Place Semi-State - 1st Place State - 3rd Place 2018 Sectional - 2nd Place Regional - 2nd Place Semi-State - 2nd Place State - Champion The pattern has been set!5 points -
Melloh and Mulkey
MatChick76 and 4 others reacted to Powerline for a topic
Yep, that ref crew should never do a state final again5 points -
Melloh and Mulkey
AuHoosier17 and 3 others reacted to runner-up for a topic
If you rewatch the match, he snaps him to the mat but doesn’t make any attempts to score off of it (i.e. get to a point where he could secure a takedown). The casebook shows an example were this could be called stalling: 6.4a: “Typical holds/maneuvers contributing to stalling in the neutral position are: a) Upper body tie-ups with no attempt to take down the opponent.” Per the rulebook, overtime is just the continuation of the match (rule 7-2) so normal rules would apply. The difference would take place in the ultimate tiebreaker. The offensive wrestler scores here by preventing the defensive wrestler from scoring. So riding a spiral ride with no attempt to breakdown or turn the opponent shouldn’t be penalized. The casebook does reference a similar situation for the stall call that would favor the Mulkey fans: 7.6.6 Situation B: “Should stalling be called in the following situations? A) In a neutral position, Wrestler A attempts a takedown and is stopped by Wrestler B who applies a legal front headlock. Wrestler B does not use the headlock to attempt to score a takedown but maintains the headlock....Ruling: In [this situation] Wrestler B has created a stalemate situation to avoid being scored upon. Repeating the same action to create a stalemate situation without using it in an attempt to score would be stalling on Wrestler B.” The question here would be did Mulkey snap Melloh into the headlock, or did he apply it in an attempt to defend a shot. If the later, than no stalling should be called per the ruling above (as it should have been called a stalemate the first time it happened). But if Mulkey initiates the front headlock, then I can see how a stall call could be argued. I also acknowledge that a simple stalemate could have been called as well.4 points -
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Wow - Fattore pinned himself!
indianmorg and 3 others reacted to BrodyHardcastle for a topic
Awesome moment to see Fattore warm up rader before his finals4 points -
Wow - Fattore pinned himself!
mDL and 3 others reacted to Wrestling Scholar for a topic
How about this idea. Maybe coaches could give some justice, and vote Fattore for mental attitude award. Not sure what defines mental attitude, but this kid has worked his butt off, and came up with the boggest screw, but he still showed great sportsmanship. He really deserves it over anybody.4 points -
How many coaches are saying Snyder’s actions were ridiculous? I’m guessing most commenting are keyboard coaches4 points
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Melloh and Mulkey
FWwrestling1996 and 3 others reacted to Pantherman95 for a topic
Mulkey got hosed.4 points -
Graber / Walton
XxFIST2FACExX and 2 others reacted to boomer for a topic
No ones is talking about it but I thought this was the best match of the night. They really went at it and left it on the mat. I want to say congratulations to Conner for getting it done when most people thought that Nathan was the favorite. Great match guys.3 points -
Blake Mauer's Play by Play
boilergrappler and 2 others reacted to matts for a topic
For the last year nine years I have spent a Sunday morning in February drinking coffee by the pool and watching the State Finals from 12 time zones away here in SE Asia. Of course I have always enjoyed Coach Goebel's commentary, and with the addition of Blake Mauer, this year's broadcast was the best ever. It was great to get some "new school" perspective, and I hope they bring him back next year. Anyway, thanks to the IHSAA, Coach Goebel, and Coach Mauer for keeping us displaced Hoosiers in the game . I sure don't miss Indiana weather in February, but I do miss the heck out of that tournament. Cheers.3 points -
GRANBY
indianmorg and 2 others reacted to Caleb Spires for a topic
Well this went from light-hearted to uncomfortable pretty quick.3 points -
Cathedral on FIRE
BrianLefeve and 2 others reacted to BrennanFan for a topic
Yeah you're right. He's not in the running for the Brennan Cosgrove Trophy if that makes you feel any better.3 points -
How about that Jimtown team
nighthawk21 and 2 others reacted to Powerline for a topic
A finalist and 2 placers, ? well done.3 points -
Brayden Curtis is probably the most impressive. every match he is helping the kids up etc. very good sportsmanship!3 points
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How about that Jimtown team
nighthawk21 and 2 others reacted to Caleb Spires for a topic
You’re gonna be hard-pressed to find three kids who are all as awesome on the mat, awesome in the classroom, and awesome in character. Very proud of these three, have loved watching them all the last few years. I know both of the Gimsons are unsatisfied with their placement, but that’ll just fuel them for next year. In the mean time, let’s bring Jimtown its third state champion tonight, Hunter!3 points -
Melloh and Mulkey
piscis1956 and 2 others reacted to navy80 for a topic
I think he’ll regret it. Yes, his wrestler got shafted....yes it potentially cost him a state title etc. look ok at how Fattore handled the loss.. now, Brownsburg is without their head coach when their team is fighting for a state title and could use his coaching. When life isn’t fair, you keep your head up and move forward. Disclaimer- I haven’t watched one wrestling match in person this year so I’m not even on the level of a keyboard coach. And I think he’s a great coach and one of the best Indiana has ever seen. Nothing but respect for him.3 points -
Wow - Fattore pinned himself!
KarlHungus and 2 others reacted to SWINfan for a topic
I'm not arguing for or against and am trying to see it from both sides and present all. But I can tell you as a former baseball umpire, there are many times you don't make calls that are "technically" right and are taught that way. I've never refereed wrestling so I would have to defer that to others, but referees in general study. They look at situations and evaluate how they were called, could have been called and in some circumstances should have been called. Even then, you will never get 100% agreement, because so much of it is judgement. So I can't say whether that was the right call for that moment. Trying to extrapolate from my umpiring days, my gut says, don't make that call unless there is a bit longer, but we're splitting seconds here.3 points -
That was a terrible call that possibly cost their team and a kid a state title.3 points
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Ouch
BrennanFan and 2 others reacted to Regionrat1 for a topic
Sometimes a young mans needs to learn a little humility -3 points -
please fix Mat 3 stream, TrackWrestling!!
rdrodd1 and 2 others reacted to FCFIGHTER170 for a topic
Just wait there will be ppl on here telling us we are lucky to even get to watch online. Which is true but I don't think it's right that yoy pay for services and a majority of the time they are lack luster...15 bibs isn't nothing compared to paying for going to bankers life.. but 15 bucks is pay that i worked damn hard for and I expect quality.3 points -
Yea... that was a tough one! Proud of my guy had a solid run. Just wrestled a bad match. Mahan did great. Back to the drawing board and practice on Monday! Good luck to all the placers! Feel bad for Tiranas too. Great family.3 points
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GRANBY
piscis1956 and one other reacted to Caleb Spires for a topic
I should probably just let it be and move on, but the smart ass in me just isn’t letting that happen. Nobody is making fun of Andrew, as a person or a wrestler. He was rolling all around for a majority of the match, I assume many others were like me and thought it was awesome that he kept trying it. Showed confidence and against almost any other 113 it would work. Relax a bit, man. You’re taking something that isn’t a personal attack at all as a personal attack.2 points -
Melloh and Mulkey
rdrodd1 and one other reacted to hook and half for a topic
Guys it’s OK to insult his refereeing skills. You could say it was a horrible call. It is your opinion to say he’s the worst referee ever. You could even say that he should be banned from refereeing. But to assault the mans character something altogether different. effectively you’re calling him a cheater.2 points -
2 points
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Even if you think you can be impartial, just the illusion of there being any bias is enough taint a match or duel for some fans or wrestlers. When I was in high school, we had a teacher who was also a wrestling official. I had no idea. He would make sure he would only take assignments that were not associated with us in any way. I never would have known, but we were added to a different tournament due to a weather related cancellation. He happened to have already been contracted for the tournament, but made sure he was not involved in any of our schools matches.2 points
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Wow - Fattore pinned himself!
boilergrappler and one other reacted to backtothemat for a topic
Here’s my take: Zack Fattore will peak in 20-30 years as a Capt of Industry. He’s a brilliant young man who will be crazy successful. Period. I’m a huge fan before and especially now.2 points -
Wow - Fattore pinned himself!
Coach Masters and one other reacted to GrecoISU for a topic
Horrible situation. By looking at the video angle the official realized he's in danger and moves to position. The situation barely changes but he never leaves the pinning zone. From the time the situation started, official reacted, and slap of the mat, according to my stopwatch it was past 2 seconds. Let me be clear... No official ever wants to make that call, especially in the State Semi-Finals. But as officials we can't inject our feelings. Sadly he did pin himself. Note: As an official I'll speak up if I think it was called correctly if I happen to be looking at the forums. If I disagree with a call you won't see me tough the conversation with a 10 foot pole. You've gotta understand that!2 points -
Wow - Fattore pinned himself!
ontherise219 and one other reacted to Wrestling Scholar for a topic
Fattore might have been in defensive pin position, but by the time ref got into position to look, Fattore's shoulders were obviously up. He didnt even have a one count. Please note the rule book says 2 seconds got a pin. And when he was calling a phantom defensive pin on Fattore, Fattore adjusted his position, and Rader was in pin position. If youre going to call a controversial defensive pin in state semi finals, you better be sure and see it for two seconds, and not take the opposing coaches word for it and assume he was pinned. Some refs with big egos want the match to be about them, and not the kids. Aggregious call. I hope this ref looks at this video.2 points -
Melloh and Mulkey
Coach Nieman and one other reacted to GrecoISU for a topic
Now we've gone from calling out the integrity of the official to questioning the honor of the coach of the winning wrestler? You guys need to really check yourselves.2 points -
most impressive TODAY??
BrennanFan and one other reacted to Kookie953 for a topic
Asa has been lights out and Boarman on one leg deserves a lot of praise.2 points -
Melloh and Mulkey
Westforkwhite and one other reacted to CoachFrepan for a topic
Coach Snyder is a Bulldog, in more ways than one. I’m certain he knew the ramifications not only for Blake, but for the team. It was a bad call, and if all is true above, it was a poor job mat assignment. I’m not questioning the integrity of the ref, as I don’t know him, but if he has a connection to the kid or the program, he should not have been on that mat. Sometimes familiarity and human nature can unintentionally override judgement. That’s a stalemate all day, about 10 seconds earlier.2 points -
Melloh and Mulkey
AuHoosier17 and one other reacted to LionsFan for a topic
Was anybody else impressed how quick Snyder got his tie off?? Must of been a clip on!2 points -
#1 Curtis vs #2 Black Instant classic
EazyBLACK7 and one other reacted to FCFIGHTER170 for a topic
Oh and did I mention thus SWEEEET throwback Black New Castle singlet that Rex wouldn't let none of us WEAR since the 90s..AJ is special and that's why he can wear it.. it all makes sense.. so proud of that young man.. it's crazy when me and little gary was wrestling AJ was a baby running around the mats.. now he's RUNNING the mats lol best of luck to Curtis as well I knowhe's brining it every time..nc vs Yorktown has always been a good rivalry back dating back to us wrestling for team semi state titles and now in the same conference I don't see that changing anytime soon!2 points -
YOU MAKE THE CALL?2 points
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Wow - Fattore pinned himself!
Trevor Young and one other reacted to BrianLefeve for a topic
Petition to fire all the Refs on Mat 3 breathe to sign2 points -
Wow - Fattore pinned himself!
barrydjr and one other reacted to Caleb Spires for a topic
“These matches are kinda slow, let me just take a two minute break to get some shaved ice.”2 points -
Melloh and Mulkey
Trevor Young and one other reacted to NavyGonzo for a topic
Agreed... Never seen a person laying flat on their belly in a front headlock draw out a stall call... If I were the BB coach, they would've had to drag me out of there...2 points -
Ouch
stateorbust and one other reacted to Kookie953 for a topic
Haters gon hate. BLee is one of the most humble kids I’ve ever been around. He is also one of the fiercest competitors I’ve ever seen, which is what makes him the wrestler he is. If a kid just wrestls him, I have never seen him be anything but gracious. If you try to show him up by doing a lot of talking and then shoving/punching him in the face after the first period, then you’re going to get the angry BLee that’s going to respond in kind. If others on this thread are talking about being unsportsmanlike in his takedowns and cutting kids...the kid likes TDs. If he liked pins and pinned kids in a few seconds, is that more “sportsmanlike”? The lesson? Don’t be a jerk to BLee and things will be fine. And if any of you people actually knew the kid, you wouldn’t be talking.2 points -
Manzona
Jayruss and one other reacted to WrestingWOW for a topic
I looked online: Has beat that kid at Super32, the same way two time Ohio junior high winner, second has 6th grader, 4 time elementary champion has wrestled for Ohio, New Jersey, Texas and colorado national teams was super32 champion 8th grade, finished 6th has 7th grader has won Tulsa nationals, has placed second and third not surprised by that win now we need to see what else he can do2 points