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  1. Maybe I’m in the minority here, but I too call stalling in that situation. Over 20 seconds of holding a front headlock just riding out a one point lead is stalling, no matter what stage you’re on.
    9 points
  2. Y2CJ41

    Melloh and Mulkey

    Good coaches will always fight for their kids. I would probably think a little less of a coach who didn't get kicked out in that situation.
    9 points
  3. Fattore was spotted warming up with Rader before the finals. Not sure I have ever seen two guys that just wrestled in the semi-finals warm up with each other.
    6 points
  4. Westforkwhite

    Melloh and Mulkey

    The front headlock should have been stalemated after 8-10 seconds max when neither wrestler was improving position. That would have left 10-14 seconds for the match to still be decided by the wrestlers. Unfortunately the official didn't call the stalemate and then compounded his mistake by making a more egregious one. Every year this guy makes numerous head scratching calls.
    6 points
  5. GrecoISU

    Melloh and Mulkey

    Agree. The question is, was he trying to improve his position. If he wasn't, it's stalling. Take everything else out of it. I watched it again. He made zero attempt to improve, and it wasn't being hindered by the other wrestler.
    6 points
  6. I’m now a fan of Fattore...he handled that loss with class. He didn’t throw a fit or take off running to the locker room.
    6 points
  7. Would you call that in the first period when a kid is riding out a 0-0 score? The situation or score doesn’t dictate when or how stalling should be called. If it’s stalling with :15 left in overtime, then it’s stalling in the first :30 seconds of the first period. It wasn’t stalling...it’s a stalemate. The same call he used in that situation multiple times in that match.
    6 points
  8. Clint Gard

    Melloh and Mulkey

    So what happens to the official for the poor call? At :22sec, Mulkey had a front head lock and was snapping it to the mat. Why call stalling at 3-4 seconds left when the hold never changed? Call it at :22 or :15 or :10.if you are going to call it. Don’t wait to call and insert yourself in the match. Best call there was a stalemate...neither could improve. Called stalemate every other front head in the match. I also get tired of seeing Faulkens insert himself at matside. 2x this weekend so far. You want to be there and make decisions at mat side, then pull the officials aside as well and make sure you tell them they screwed up as well. Seeing too many matches decided by the officials in the last 2-3 weeks. And no, I won’t sign up to become an official...just do it right.
    6 points
  9. KarlHungus

    Melloh and Mulkey

    Snyder got tossed. I think his actions were mild
    6 points
  10. 1prouddad

    Thanks

    As the finals have concluded, I'd like to thank all the wrestlers that participated this year and entertained us fans. Congratulations to this years Champs. Also want to thank the guys doing this site. Your rankings and info is top notch. To the Seniors, I wish you the best in your next journey. Hell of a season gents.
    5 points
  11. SWINfan

    Garcia

    The secret is out about Asa Garcia. To beat him at State, you have to let him win Sectional, Regional & SS! 2016 Sectional - 2nd Place Regional - 2nd Place Semi-State - 2nd Place (all losses to Mills) State - Champion 2017 Sectional - 1st Place Regional - 1st Place Semi-State - 1st Place State - 3rd Place 2018 Sectional - 2nd Place Regional - 2nd Place Semi-State - 2nd Place State - Champion The pattern has been set!
    5 points
  12. Powerline

    Melloh and Mulkey

    Yep, that ref crew should never do a state final again
    5 points
  13. runner-up

    Melloh and Mulkey

    If you rewatch the match, he snaps him to the mat but doesn’t make any attempts to score off of it (i.e. get to a point where he could secure a takedown). The casebook shows an example were this could be called stalling: 6.4a: “Typical holds/maneuvers contributing to stalling in the neutral position are: a) Upper body tie-ups with no attempt to take down the opponent.” Per the rulebook, overtime is just the continuation of the match (rule 7-2) so normal rules would apply. The difference would take place in the ultimate tiebreaker. The offensive wrestler scores here by preventing the defensive wrestler from scoring. So riding a spiral ride with no attempt to breakdown or turn the opponent shouldn’t be penalized. The casebook does reference a similar situation for the stall call that would favor the Mulkey fans: 7.6.6 Situation B: “Should stalling be called in the following situations? A) In a neutral position, Wrestler A attempts a takedown and is stopped by Wrestler B who applies a legal front headlock. Wrestler B does not use the headlock to attempt to score a takedown but maintains the headlock....Ruling: In [this situation] Wrestler B has created a stalemate situation to avoid being scored upon. Repeating the same action to create a stalemate situation without using it in an attempt to score would be stalling on Wrestler B.” The question here would be did Mulkey snap Melloh into the headlock, or did he apply it in an attempt to defend a shot. If the later, than no stalling should be called per the ruling above (as it should have been called a stalemate the first time it happened). But if Mulkey initiates the front headlock, then I can see how a stall call could be argued. I also acknowledge that a simple stalemate could have been called as well.
    4 points
  14. 4 points
  15. Awesome moment to see Fattore warm up rader before his finals
    4 points
  16. How about this idea. Maybe coaches could give some justice, and vote Fattore for mental attitude award. Not sure what defines mental attitude, but this kid has worked his butt off, and came up with the boggest screw, but he still showed great sportsmanship. He really deserves it over anybody.
    4 points
  17. TripleB

    Melloh and Mulkey

    How many coaches are saying Snyder’s actions were ridiculous? I’m guessing most commenting are keyboard coaches
    4 points
  18. Mulkey got hosed.
    4 points
  19. boomer

    Graber / Walton

    No ones is talking about it but I thought this was the best match of the night. They really went at it and left it on the mat. I want to say congratulations to Conner for getting it done when most people thought that Nathan was the favorite. Great match guys.
    3 points
  20. For the last year nine years I have spent a Sunday morning in February drinking coffee by the pool and watching the State Finals from 12 time zones away here in SE Asia. Of course I have always enjoyed Coach Goebel's commentary, and with the addition of Blake Mauer, this year's broadcast was the best ever. It was great to get some "new school" perspective, and I hope they bring him back next year. Anyway, thanks to the IHSAA, Coach Goebel, and Coach Mauer for keeping us displaced Hoosiers in the game . I sure don't miss Indiana weather in February, but I do miss the heck out of that tournament. Cheers.
    3 points
  21. Caleb Spires

    GRANBY

    Well this went from light-hearted to uncomfortable pretty quick.
    3 points
  22. Yeah you're right. He's not in the running for the Brennan Cosgrove Trophy if that makes you feel any better.
    3 points
  23. A finalist and 2 placers, ? well done.
    3 points
  24. Brayden Curtis is probably the most impressive. every match he is helping the kids up etc. very good sportsmanship!
    3 points
  25. You’re gonna be hard-pressed to find three kids who are all as awesome on the mat, awesome in the classroom, and awesome in character. Very proud of these three, have loved watching them all the last few years. I know both of the Gimsons are unsatisfied with their placement, but that’ll just fuel them for next year. In the mean time, let’s bring Jimtown its third state champion tonight, Hunter!
    3 points
  26. navy80

    Melloh and Mulkey

    I think he’ll regret it. Yes, his wrestler got shafted....yes it potentially cost him a state title etc. look ok at how Fattore handled the loss.. now, Brownsburg is without their head coach when their team is fighting for a state title and could use his coaching. When life isn’t fair, you keep your head up and move forward. Disclaimer- I haven’t watched one wrestling match in person this year so I’m not even on the level of a keyboard coach. And I think he’s a great coach and one of the best Indiana has ever seen. Nothing but respect for him.
    3 points
  27. I'm not arguing for or against and am trying to see it from both sides and present all. But I can tell you as a former baseball umpire, there are many times you don't make calls that are "technically" right and are taught that way. I've never refereed wrestling so I would have to defer that to others, but referees in general study. They look at situations and evaluate how they were called, could have been called and in some circumstances should have been called. Even then, you will never get 100% agreement, because so much of it is judgement. So I can't say whether that was the right call for that moment. Trying to extrapolate from my umpiring days, my gut says, don't make that call unless there is a bit longer, but we're splitting seconds here.
    3 points
  28. Y2CJ41

    Melloh and Mulkey

    That was a terrible call that possibly cost their team and a kid a state title.
    3 points
  29. Regionrat1

    Ouch

    Sometimes a young mans needs to learn a little humility -
    3 points
  30. Just wait there will be ppl on here telling us we are lucky to even get to watch online. Which is true but I don't think it's right that yoy pay for services and a majority of the time they are lack luster...15 bibs isn't nothing compared to paying for going to bankers life.. but 15 bucks is pay that i worked damn hard for and I expect quality.
    3 points
  31. Mattyb

    Biggest upsets ?

    Yea... that was a tough one! Proud of my guy had a solid run. Just wrestled a bad match. Mahan did great. Back to the drawing board and practice on Monday! Good luck to all the placers! Feel bad for Tiranas too. Great family.
    3 points
  32. Caleb Spires

    GRANBY

    I should probably just let it be and move on, but the smart ass in me just isn’t letting that happen. Nobody is making fun of Andrew, as a person or a wrestler. He was rolling all around for a majority of the match, I assume many others were like me and thought it was awesome that he kept trying it. Showed confidence and against almost any other 113 it would work. Relax a bit, man. You’re taking something that isn’t a personal attack at all as a personal attack.
    2 points
  33. Guys it’s OK to insult his refereeing skills. You could say it was a horrible call. It is your opinion to say he’s the worst referee ever. You could even say that he should be banned from refereeing. But to assault the mans character something altogether different. effectively you’re calling him a cheater.
    2 points
  34. 2 points
  35. runner-up

    Melloh and Mulkey

    Even if you think you can be impartial, just the illusion of there being any bias is enough taint a match or duel for some fans or wrestlers. When I was in high school, we had a teacher who was also a wrestling official. I had no idea. He would make sure he would only take assignments that were not associated with us in any way. I never would have known, but we were added to a different tournament due to a weather related cancellation. He happened to have already been contracted for the tournament, but made sure he was not involved in any of our schools matches.
    2 points
  36. hogleg

    GRANBY

    none of them scored, but he tried about 15 or so
    2 points
  37. Here’s my take: Zack Fattore will peak in 20-30 years as a Capt of Industry. He’s a brilliant young man who will be crazy successful. Period. I’m a huge fan before and especially now.
    2 points
  38. Horrible situation. By looking at the video angle the official realized he's in danger and moves to position. The situation barely changes but he never leaves the pinning zone. From the time the situation started, official reacted, and slap of the mat, according to my stopwatch it was past 2 seconds. Let me be clear... No official ever wants to make that call, especially in the State Semi-Finals. But as officials we can't inject our feelings. Sadly he did pin himself. Note: As an official I'll speak up if I think it was called correctly if I happen to be looking at the forums. If I disagree with a call you won't see me tough the conversation with a 10 foot pole. You've gotta understand that!
    2 points
  39. Fattore might have been in defensive pin position, but by the time ref got into position to look, Fattore's shoulders were obviously up. He didnt even have a one count. Please note the rule book says 2 seconds got a pin. And when he was calling a phantom defensive pin on Fattore, Fattore adjusted his position, and Rader was in pin position. If youre going to call a controversial defensive pin in state semi finals, you better be sure and see it for two seconds, and not take the opposing coaches word for it and assume he was pinned. Some refs with big egos want the match to be about them, and not the kids. Aggregious call. I hope this ref looks at this video.
    2 points
  40. Now we've gone from calling out the integrity of the official to questioning the honor of the coach of the winning wrestler? You guys need to really check yourselves.
    2 points
  41. Asa has been lights out and Boarman on one leg deserves a lot of praise.
    2 points
  42. Coach Snyder is a Bulldog, in more ways than one. I’m certain he knew the ramifications not only for Blake, but for the team. It was a bad call, and if all is true above, it was a poor job mat assignment. I’m not questioning the integrity of the ref, as I don’t know him, but if he has a connection to the kid or the program, he should not have been on that mat. Sometimes familiarity and human nature can unintentionally override judgement. That’s a stalemate all day, about 10 seconds earlier.
    2 points
  43. LionsFan

    Melloh and Mulkey

    Was anybody else impressed how quick Snyder got his tie off?? Must of been a clip on!
    2 points
  44. Oh and did I mention thus SWEEEET throwback Black New Castle singlet that Rex wouldn't let none of us WEAR since the 90s..AJ is special and that's why he can wear it.. it all makes sense.. so proud of that young man.. it's crazy when me and little gary was wrestling AJ was a baby running around the mats.. now he's RUNNING the mats lol best of luck to Curtis as well I knowhe's brining it every time..nc vs Yorktown has always been a good rivalry back dating back to us wrestling for team semi state titles and now in the same conference I don't see that changing anytime soon!
    2 points
  45. YOU MAKE THE CALL?
    2 points
  46. Petition to fire all the Refs on Mat 3 breathe to sign
    2 points
  47. “These matches are kinda slow, let me just take a two minute break to get some shaved ice.”
    2 points
  48. Agreed... Never seen a person laying flat on their belly in a front headlock draw out a stall call... If I were the BB coach, they would've had to drag me out of there...
    2 points
  49. Kookie953

    Ouch

    Haters gon hate. BLee is one of the most humble kids I’ve ever been around. He is also one of the fiercest competitors I’ve ever seen, which is what makes him the wrestler he is. If a kid just wrestls him, I have never seen him be anything but gracious. If you try to show him up by doing a lot of talking and then shoving/punching him in the face after the first period, then you’re going to get the angry BLee that’s going to respond in kind. If others on this thread are talking about being unsportsmanlike in his takedowns and cutting kids...the kid likes TDs. If he liked pins and pinned kids in a few seconds, is that more “sportsmanlike”? The lesson? Don’t be a jerk to BLee and things will be fine. And if any of you people actually knew the kid, you wouldn’t be talking.
    2 points
  50. WrestingWOW

    Manzona

    I looked online: Has beat that kid at Super32, the same way two time Ohio junior high winner, second has 6th grader, 4 time elementary champion has wrestled for Ohio, New Jersey, Texas and colorado national teams was super32 champion 8th grade, finished 6th has 7th grader has won Tulsa nationals, has placed second and third not surprised by that win now we need to see what else he can do
    2 points
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