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This is from coach Tonte: I don’t have an account, but this is something I wanted to make sure I said something about. I have many friends that run academies and don’t think any of them would consider guys like us as part time coaches. We and countless other coaches running successful programs do not consider ourselves to be part timers.

Just playing Devil's Advocate here, but in a lot of instances, this is exactly the opposite of what is true. The high school coach is with the athlete from November to February for his 4 years of high school. The Academy coach has been with that athlete year-round since he was 6 or 7 years old.

There are numerous strong programs like this in the state with in-program club feeder systems. In those situations, it makes complete sense why the coach would expect to have some input or control over the off-season training of their athletes. The generalizations being made in this post of high school coaches as "part-time" and academy coaches as "professionals" are disappointing. Indiana is blessed with many high school coaches who are "good enough to make a living" at coaching and still choose to coach high school and club programs over starting or working for academies. Moreover, many of these same coaches do continue to dedicate themselves to their wrestlers (all their wrestlers, not just the ones who can afford the costs of a private academy) year-round by training and taking kids to off-season tournaments for much less than the academy coaches are earning.

Reading these comments I realize what a unique situation I personally get to benefit from. Our coaches are far from part time (only in pay) because they are the club coaches also. I sometimes forget that the majority of wrestling programs are to your point part time or in season only. This season for our coaches started in October and will go until June. So the majority of our wrestlers will have that Coach since he started at 4 or 5 years old all the way through his High School career.

I will call out Joe's false "lack of teachers as coaches" troll and say that, yes, there are a number of high quality lay coaches who cannot run a team for the greater good because teachers in the building get a stipend to be in charge, i .e. The movie "Reversal".

Blake Maurer had a lot of takedowns!

We are missing 1 weight class this season , but an additional 2 kids are on vacation for this. Yes 2/3/4 was the main conversation

You should get there early and have some coffee. Maybe some light banter with some of the wrestlers then hit the mic HARD! I'll be listening for sure.

Gavit, Highland Hobart Merrillville

#1 pretty clear cut@220 2/3/4 could be mixed in a lot of ways. Everyone has different seeding criteria. I would have had it mer, munster, calumet, highland. The sleeper Hobart that kid is a super athlete

I've been to hundreds of wrestling matches - but this is the first one I've ever seen charge $10 for single session admission for a Friday night with three rounds.

I might be old and senile, but I’m pretty sure there was a page or two of chatter years ago about Bryce Hasseman of Franklin having the takedown record. I know he was gunning for it his senior year, but I don’t think there is great data surrounding takedowns.

It is a 10 AM start. The guy who does Track for us sucks! (Points finger at self)

The AD at HC is a former Portage AD, probably part of the reason it is on TW, which I know I can celebrate!

Career Pins 1. 156 ANGEL ESCOBEDO - GRIFFITH - 2005 2. 151 LANCE ELLIS - INDIANAPOLIS CATHEDRAL - 1989 3. 150 ANDRAE HERNANDEZ - GRIFFITH - 2004 4. 144 ALEX TSIRTSIS - GRIFFITH - 2004 5. 139 BRENDAN CAMPBELL - NEW CASTLE - 2012 6. 135 CHRISTOPHER KASTEN - WINAMAC - 2005 7. 132 GREG SCHAEFER - EVANSVILLE MATER DEI - 1998 8. 125 MATT COUGHLIN - EVANSVILLE MATER DEI - 2005 9. 123 JASON COOK - VALPARAISO - 2002 10. 120 ANDREW HOWE – HANOVER CENTRAL – 2008 11. 117 CRAIG MACKE - EVANSVILLE MATER DEI - 2003 12. 114 JOHN SHEETS - BELLMONT - 2003 13. 114 BLAKE MAUER - EVANSVILLE MATER DEI - 2004 14. 113 MATT FITZGERALD - NEW CASTLE - 1994 15. 111 DAMON HUMMEL - ROCHESTER - 1994 16. 108 JOHN LEVITZ - PRAIRIE HEIGHTS - 1994 17. 108 MATT HASBROOK- INDIANAPOLIS CATHEDRAL- 2000 18. 107 KYLE MEINIKA - COLUMBIA CITY - 2004 19. 106 PAUL GUNSETT - BELLMONT - 1988 20. 106 SHANNON STOUT - DELTA - 1994 Campbell had 139 per the New Castle website.

I've looked and looked for the takedown record..a lot of us agreed that Milius of Yorktown in 03' was said to have the takedown record.. was a move in from bama.. all he did was takedown and cut with different Duck under series never went for a turn...He lost by pin after a briefly leading MaterDei Legend Dustin Nosko in the finals...then Noskos patented chin whip came out and slayer the undefeated Alabama state champion cementing himself as a All time great at EMD and Indiana wrestling history...I know that brenden Campbell of New Castles Campbell had 139 pins

No hard feelings, our staff and the perry staff of which I still hold with high regard As well as several others always have made this a passion and lifestyle. I’m close with Many of the academies and they do a great job.

Please inform coach Tonte that in my post I mentioned academies and great wrestling clubs create the elite teams. You guys left that out. To clarify, Im referring also to the elite programs where the wrestling coach in many cases runs the wrestling club and as a result works most the year. Im well aware of the year round effort that Tonte has put in Warren and Perry, and his results speak volumes for him. No way that im calling him a part-timer. Coaches like Tonte, Snyder, Vega, Pendoski, Harper, etc run their clubs/programs, are high school coaches and are elite academy coaches at the same time. I think the only difference between club and academy is maybe the club sometimes doesn't allow kids from another school. But I know a lot of kids would like to be in these coaches clubs. Im curious, does coach Tonte's Warren club allow kids from other school district? Im just saying with his knowledge, a lot of dads would be paying good money to get into his club or academy?

100% true. I would not count Perry, Warren, Portage, Chesterton, Brownsburg, Avon, Mater Dei, etc. among the part-time coaches. You see their coaches at all the ISWA and Youth events all year round. Sadly, however, these guys are more the exception than the norm. And it is no surprise that they are the ones who have the successful programs. That's the point I'm trying to make. For kids who aren't fortunate enough to have a coach who puts in this level of time and effort year round, their Academy coach probably has spent more time with them and knows them better. The above schools and a handful of others would be the exception.

At first I thought this was about training and overtraining which is an issue with a lot of athletes, especially 3 sport athletes. But with further reading I understand how this could get confusing. My opinion, the coach knows the athlete and his style better than an "Academy" coach who doesn't know the athlete that well and does not want a brand new technique pushed on the kid mid season. OR you have the situation of "I was a sectional qualifier when I was in high school" type of parent who knows everything but has no idea what technique, style, pace etc. etc. his kid has because he does not see his kid in the wrestling room. Best way to find out, talk to the coach. Not at before or during practice for goodness sake. Which brings me to my next point, overtraining. It happens, and can cause a lot of atrophy in size, cardio, energy levels, and motivation. I made it to sectionals, so I know what I am talking about.

You don’t have time to die. We southerners need our rankings!

And class wrestling...

Great points made in nearly all the above posts. I would only add that strictly from a legality standpoint......private sessions are in fact legal. This came from Assistant Commisioner Robert Faulkens himself, in a response to an email our AD & I sent. He paralleled privates (paid) to more of a clinic. Obviously no other athletes from separate schools can be involved, the clinician can have no direct contract or be coaching at another in-state high school, and also that you can't have the individual instructing multiple kids at once. He referred us to rule 15-1.4. It states........ a. Students may not attend a non-school sponsored clinic in a team sport, but may attend a non-school sponsored clinic in an individual sport (note: wrestling is considered an individual sport).b. If a clinic is conducted over more than 1 day, students will be limited to 3 hours of sports instruction or daily practice.c. a Clinic must be conducted during non-school time and no school practices or contests may be missed. Apart from answering the "legal" aspect of your question. Certain preferences come into play with various coaches. In fact, I know of a couple coaches who prefer their kids train absolutely nowhere else! And yes....that includes the off-season. While that wouldn't be the right fit for me personally.......I can tell you this. Those guys resume's speak for themselves. They've produced (or helped produce) multiple State Champs. I'd simply encourage you to hit all the angles with the current coach. Allow him to thoroughly explain himself to you in person. Not saying this is the case.....but I've found that in many cases the greatest problems between Coaches/Parents/Wrestlers come down to an overall lack of communication. Genuinely hope things work out positively for you & your son brother.